Elizabeth

Whilst nothing would draw me to support the now doomed Slick/Sellner partnership Dane, I do recall that many good people on carm found your attitudes towards homosexuality, particularly offensive. I hope I am not speaking out of turn in reminding you that this is a website for those who support the ordination of women. It is not a meeting point for those who object to the way they were treated by Slick and Sellner over unrelated issues. It is a site where we have respect for those who have different attitudes to our own and I for one would not consider remaining with this website if there are any repeats of the disrespectful comments about homosexuals that you used to make on carm.

Well the only person showing the true love of Christianity in that room was Anne Graham Lotz.
If they didn’t want to listen to a woman why did they go?
Looks as if they were just looking for an excuse to be rude – overinflated egos …… again

There seems to be some sort of excuse for this along the lines of the ‘rules’ only apply to a church, as in a physical building that is called a church. As far as I am aware, buildings that could be regarded as Christian churches did  not exist when the Bible was written. I have always regarded the word ‘church’ to have a much broader meaning, along the lines of ‘where two or more are gathered together in His name’ and the word church is then applicable to a house, a beach, a mountain top, a website etc. etc. So, IMO it is illogical to say its OK for women to teach men on a website but not in a building called a church. If two or more Christians are gathered together on a website to talk about and praise the Lord, then it is most certainly a church. The fact that the website is categorised as a non profit making charitable business in the same way that a ‘church’ is, rather bears that out.

Oh dear me – have you seen the latest on that silly blog? Rude comments about someone’s appearance, questioning whether they are male or female. Rude comments about someone’s mental condition and questions about their medication (well we all know who claims to be the expert on psychiatry). People lifting our ‘names’ to post so that they can disguise their own identity- there’s now a ‘Paul’ and a ‘Norah Nutty’ on there. People demanding husbands phones numbers so that they can ring them up and order them to discipline their wife. Do they want my husbands phone number or are they too mean to phone international, and they would only get laughed at if they did- and I suggest others give the same reaction. Threats to go to newspapers. We must be on the right track – nothing else would scare them so much. They even deleted a CARM thread which asked about the Christian values of peopple who created such anonymous blogs.

Cheryl you must be exhausted after your trip, thank you for updating us.
Himself knows who does and who does not show Love to his neighbour. No-one could have tried harder or shown more reason. You have ‘taken the horses to water’ but you could not ‘make them drink’ and thus you have no choice but to walk away and leave them to their self inflicted fate.

Today is the day. Cheryl has shown immense courage and her faith is an outstanding example to all.  I know that our prayers and thoughts are with her today.

An anonymous blogger who only allows comments on the blog with his/her approval.

Any claim on their part to be any sort of a Christian is not just laughable – its offensive. And the one this person offends the most is the God they pretend to love.

{edited by Cheryl to remove name-calling. Although in this situation I am tempted to leave it in, I think it is wise to remain objective and respectful even though I have not been treated that way.}

I pray that the outcome of this meeting will be for the ‘greater good’. A difference of opinion between believers is OK but when some try to force their opinion on others by fear and intimidation and even lies, that is not good. It is divisive and division plays straight into the hands of ‘you know who’. But we should never forget that God sees and hears all and He will deal with everything in His own way and in His own time – I often forget this myself and get frustrated when the ‘baddies’ appear to win.

Its on page 2 of the Apologetics board and the thread is titled “Equal in the eyes of God?”

Of course that works on the assumption that it matters whether or not one is ‘banned’ from carm.
Is carm really so important to anybody or anything (except its owners and their groupies) that we would bother to go to any lengths to disguise our identities?
About 4 days ago I started a thread asking if churches that accept ordained women are cults and apostate – I then went away for a few days but a brief check has revealed not a single assertion that agrees with the carm position on the question. I had to put the thread on Apologetics as I’m not allowed on the General Christian Theology board, maybe my posts have got just a little too near the truth for someone’s comfort zone.

Is it any coincidence that shortly after I posted the above message I was banned not once but twice on carm and not by a mod but by Diane? LOL
Not content with banning her pet ‘hates’ from the General Christian Theology  board – she now uses ‘inside information’ gleaned from her carm data base to search the internet looking for ‘offenders’ posts on other web sites.
PS. one of the ‘offending’ posts that got me banned was telling  of a poster named shelli that he/she was not reading my post for comprehension. Regular carm posters who are familiar with shelli’s posts will realise how desperate Diane must be to ban someone for questioning his/her posts.

How utterly sad and pathetic that CARM cannot think of a title to use for their ‘new’ section but have to ‘borrow’ yours.
Why use the title ‘Women in Ministry’ then spend endless pages coming up with excuses why women should not be in ministry?
I suppose it is a measure of the desperation now felt over there due to the marked lack of support given to their ideas and the total lack of respect they have engendered by constantly attacking Cheryl.
We have an expression in the UK which just about sums it up:
“They are flogging a dead horse”.

New tactics on carm. 1/ Close the topic to those whose opinions make you feel uncomfortable but don’t tell them and don’t put post anything on the topic. That way people will just think he/she has got bored and gone away and won’t know he/she has been shut out. 2/ Call people ‘Cheryl’
(I’m away on holiday now for a while but will be back 🙂 )

PS. And by the expression ‘we all’ I do mean all, not just posters on CARM and contributors to this blog

wanderer, I have to wonder just how many posts on all CARM forums, you have acquainted yourself with.
The rules of CARM say that you should not discuss another poster disparagingly and yet this happens and reports to moderators are ignored. Because the rules only speak of other posters as individuals and not groups then groups are spoken of unkindly time and time again.
Does this mean that speaking unkindly of other groups is acceptable to CARM and that speaking ill of another poster is acceptable to CARM depending on who is speaking?
To speak unkindly or untruthfully about any person or group of people is never acceptable whether it is done privately or publically and perhaps we are all losing sight of the fact the God sees ALL that we ALL do and say and will make His judgement in His own way.

I have just emailed her informing her that her accusations against me are unfounded. I have made no grievance, I have not made a negative comment to an admin/mod, I have not sent anyone at carm an email prior to the one I have just sent and I can’t pm anyone at carm – only subscribers can do that. So not one of her accusations is true and I am not going to let it go unchallenged.
I can only assume that the woman has some sort of problem coping with people who disagree with her point of view and she can only respond with gagging orders and false accusations.

And I got banned again! here is why:
You have received an infraction at CARM.ORG – Christian Discussion Forums. Reason: Grievance violation, Neg. Comments to Admin/Moderator Actions on Forums, Email, Pm Results in immediate Suspension——-Refusal to follow grievance——- This infraction is worth 60 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire. Original Post: http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=2580518#post2580518 —Quote——Quote (Originally by WIM)—I have noted your threat. For your information our ministry has not been removed from the web because the government cannot stop us from serving the Lord nor force us to say that all religions are equal or stop speaking the gospel to the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons. Your unloving attitude towards other apologetics ministries who are egalitarian, is noted. God has heard your words and he sees the attitude of your heart. This is why you cannot leave this discussion board. I will be posting your comment on my blog for all to see so that they can see your attitude.—End Quote— It *IS* telling that the WIM blogs are open for anyone to read as are the dicussion boards of CARM, *EXCEPT* for this one which is only available to those who join CARM. The reason that was given was as follows: “having problems with Trolls on that forum, when the behaviors clean up, the board will be turned back on to the public” :confused:

CARM must be running really scared on the ‘women’ issues to give out 60 points for that.

Curiouser and curiouser. Members who log in can see the feminism board but guests cannot, although they can view all the other boards. What is it she doesn’t want guests to see? She did put something on the other day about looking at blogs etc. to see what people were saying about CARM

Then you’re lucky you didn’t get kicked out of CARM like the rest of us or kicked off that board like Caleb 🙂

Unless I am very much mistaken, the Feminism board has been removed from the CARM site! I wonder why?

I have noticed on CARM that those in opposition to women preachers (particularly the VP and Christdependent) are becoming more and more viscious in their attempts to prop up their misguided beliefs – even going so far as to describe supporters of women preachers as witches. I can understand some men who have overinflated egos and a grossly exaggerated idea of their own importance, getting a little nervous when their perception is that women preachers will whittle away their ‘powerbase’ but why are women so hysterically opposed to it? Incidentally, in the past 2 or 3 days the CARM site has been changed so that one does not need to log in to read the posts on the boards. I have been banned for a month so I cannot contribute to the discussions at present but at least I can see what others are saying.

Sadly I have to report that yet more good people have been banned from CARM by the VP for disagreeing with her on the feminism board. Others caught her out telling a fib about the reason for the ban and they too were banned. Needless to say all ‘offending’ posts were deleted from the board but not before they had gone out by email to those of us who has subscribed to that particular topic so we do have a record of what was said.