Kyle

int3grity,

If a subordination in function is both permanent and comprehensive, it it becomes an ontological subordination. Difference does not necessarily entail subordination, though

Hey Cheryl,

That is helpful. The reason I ask is because the Nicene creed speaks about Christ being eternally begotten, that is, eternally generated. There was not a time when he was not, yet there is an eternal begetting in this relationship. This does make me a bit uncomfortable, for it seems to make the very being of the Son in His divinity dependent upon the Father, but it is creedally affirmed, and I hesitate to go against ancient ecumenical creeds. It does seem like the biblical references are referring to the Incarnation and not eternal realities, but then we must say the creeds got this one wrong.

Hey Cheryl!

I have been following your work on women in ministry, and I have been impressed. I have a question about the Trinity and eternal subordination.

Do you believe that the Son is eternally begotten of the Father? If so, do you think one can affirm this creedal belief without falling into the eternal subordination of the Son?

Thanks!

Kyle