Can anyone help anawer my questions. Please Cheryl or anyone I need your insight on this. Thanks

This articles as all are great. I have two Questions.

First,

Why doesn’t Adam blame the serpent, but blames only Gd & The Woman (His wife). Is he using her as an excape goat?

Second,

Why are all the animals cursed? Why not just the serpent alone? Some think the serpent had legs,then once cursed God took them away so when one sees one we are reminded of the fall.
Also did/do animals live forever (have no death in them)before the fall, is it because noone is now allow to eat from the Tree of Life which would include animals. Are/were animal ment to live forever or is that just for Mankind.What does Death entered into the world mean now for the earth/world?Isn’t there a scripture were it said “God cursed everything He made…..but why?Please help me with these few yet deep questions on the curse. Thanks

I was think just that and you just put the icing on that white cake! Thanks for clearing that up I know it will help everyone who will listen. I’m going to print this. Thanks

I have this question: if Eve stay in the garden could she still have the promise seed…after she had sex/relations with Adam? Didn’t the Seed/Jesus have to be born of a virgin, if she had sex with Adam then she wouldn’t be a virgin? You typed once that she could have stayed in the garden but turned to her husband and went with him and i agree with that. I’m just trying to make sense of it all.

Yes I agree that her body did change after eating the fruit, a fallen body would expe. pain. Even if she had sex with Adam before the fall and then stayed in the garden after the fall, could Christ/the seed still come through her unvirgin body, that’s my question….all things are possible with God, right? Please explain, thanks

It makes sense thanks Cheryl. They ate just seconds apart from one another so they would both feel the effects together so to speak or as scripture states..Then the eyes of BOTH became open…..

You answered this before but I can’t find my comment or your reply on my question, so here it is again, about eating from the Tree…

Why didn’t her eyes open up first when she ate the fruit, was it because thay ate just seconds apart..then they both opened…please explain. Thanks Cheryl

Let’s see if we can re-phrase Piper and Grudem’s argument.

Adam was deceived by the lies of the serpent just as Eve was, but he was considered “not deceived” because his special role as spokesman for mankind, designated leader and defender of God was deliberately bypassed by satan. Satan’s first temptation was not a lie about God or a temptation to eat the fruit, but it was a temptation for Eve to illegally speak for God when she had never been ordained as a defender of God. Eve also had never been ordained to make a decision for herself. When she decided to take the fruit and eat it, she sinned against Adam bringing great “damage and ruin” by forsaking her designated decision-making leader.

Any thoughts?

Do we have humanbeings or robots here LOL? This is so far for the text there in Hell!

Everything makes sense here, Love the Topic. I have a few questons:

We know Adam is going to act out his sin nature by ruling over Eve.The bigger picking on the smaller.

But Eve sinned (Was Tricked), thus Sin & Death from eating from the tree of evil fell on “herself” “alone” and she too has a sin nature, right? She can’t pass the sin nature on is that correct, that comes from Adam? In other words Her Sin was just on Her, it affected Just Herself, where as Adam’s Sin affected himself and any Children (Us) that may come from him. Is this correct?

Thanks Cheryl for making this scripture more clearly. Thanks for your hard work in looking up all the words! Thanks Charis for your hard work too in looking up the words too.
This passage is talking about the body and what has come to it because of sinful mans heart!

Charis,

I never thought of it that way….Great Insight! I think both our views are correct and both in line with scripture! Your insight is very deep understanding and it does tie into Genesis..the begininng! Thank You, I’m going to save your insight. any other thoughts all.

Hello Mrs Webfoot, Hello

Going back to chapter 4 of “Building Strong Families” Lepine suggests that there will be attacks on the husband’s way of leadership from all kinds of directions. He says that “(attacks) will come from friends and coworkers who, thinking themselves to be wise, have become as fools (Rom. 1:22)”

That verse in Romans is how the sexually immoral want to justify their wrong doing…has nothing to do with this issue! Taking more scriptures out of context. This is really sad how low they go. I see a cult at hand.

This is what happens in a Hiarchy world! Read the News from the Berean Call.

Today’s Update

MURDER IN SOME CASES DECLARED LEGAL

Murdering Women Declared Legal [Excerpts]

January 26, 2009: Pakistan has a problem with women. In the tribal areas, Islamic radicals burn schools (170 in the last two years) for girls and declare it illegal for women to work outside the home. The parliament openly condemns this Taliban/al Qaeda policy. But at the same time, the nations highest court declares that honor killings (murdering a young woman for marrying or dating someone her family does not approve of) are not crimes. The high illiteracy rate among women has long been a major reason for lack of economic progress in Islamic nations. In Pakistan, overcoming the problem means going to war with Islamic conservatives, and the government has been reluctant to do that.

There was a sharp increase in violence in Pakistan last year. Deaths went from 907 in 2005, to 1,600 in 2006, 3,500 in 2007 and 8,000 last year. Pakistan suffered more from Islamic radical violence than neighboring Afghanistan. Last year, about 6,000 died in Afghanistan, while Pakistan lost 8,000. There were 2,100 terrorist attacks last year, leaving 2,300 dead. Battles between terrorists and security forces left 3,200 dead. Interestingly, only a third of those dead were in operations involving the army and police (either attacks on tribesmen, or clashes along the border itself). About 40 percent of the dead were the result of tribes fighting each other (usually pro-government groups against pro-Taliban ones.) The government arrested over 4,000 Islamic radical suspects last year.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/india/articles/20090126.aspx

I love #111 comment: There’s a great deal of worldly power to be lost if women accept their full freedom in Christ and Christian men start considering their Christian sisters as better than themselves.

Yes, we as Christian have to treat others better then ourselfs, that would includes men to women! That’s what Jesus said (Smiling), now who would want to argue with him on that one! I would like to ask CFBMW that and also say Isn’t He (Jesus) the one who is Faithful and True!

Just was all for Biblical Equality

correction: Jesus was all for Biblical Equality.

I’ve read alot of comments on this post and I will just say this:

The Holy Spirit is always telling me to come to this site and learn and He has me check out everything and the Teachings by Cheryl are the Truth….according to Gods word and how he has laid it out! It’s not adding or taking away from the text but letting the Text and the Bible as a whole speak for itself. Going back to the Org. Language it was written in, helps. Also prayer and the Spirit is first and formost!

That rude comment about “Just drop it”. No/Nay, the truth needs to come out once and for all, error needs to be dealt with! The Holy Spirit is working harder then every these days and doesn’t take a day off or sweep it under the rug!

Just sweep it under the rug that’s what people would like. Well the 1950’s are over and the false images of “family life” need to be replaced with the real ones. Which is Biblical equality that’s what God wants! I have to ask then how are we different from the Pagans and the way they do things. The pagans want Hiarch., Just was all for Biblical Equality, Jesus said in the book of Matt:

Matthew 20:25-28 (New King James Version)
25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them.
26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.
27 And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave—
28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

I have to share this.

I was listening to a christian radio station “Calvary”. I live in Chicago, IL. Anyway for the most part there right on but I heard some things from certian pastors that are way off. It was on Eph. 5:21,22. He wa talking out off both sides of his mouth. First he says ALL believers submit one to the other (so far so good). Then he reads verse 22 and said that if the Husband and wife can’t agree on something the Husbands has the final say, thats how God set it up! He just contradicted himself!

The Bible says…Marry only in the Lord and “All believers” would include the Home and Church…Everywhere! Submit one to the other as Eph 5:21 states.

Children are to obey ther parents yet wifes are NEVER told to obey there husbands…Why?….because it’s not that kind of relationship!

He said that men will be judged how they lead and women will be judge how they submitted on judgement day?! I was like what! Then I thought of Adam and Eve and the Serpent. Adam & Eve each had to give there OWN account, noone spoke for the other, no submition/leadership roles.

No mention of submition and leadship roles in the begining! God treated them both as equals who both had equal rule even those now things are unequal because of the Fall. Even after they fell, God still treated them as equals letting each person speak for ones self!

I just wanted to share what I heard and what was going through my mind during this radio program. He was right on as far as the simple gospel, jesus is the only way, and he talked about Jesus growing up and at age 12 he was missing for 3 days and there was mourning etc etc and how Jesus was buried for 3 days in the tomb and there was mourning But he rose again on the 3rd day. Right on about alot of points but when he got to women he was way off.

He was talking about how Jesus obeyed his parents. An streched scripture a bit by saying Mary never told Jesus who his Father was but said Joseph was his Father?! Thats putting words in Marys mouth, Jesus already knew at that point that Joesph was his step father. I find it hard to believe that Mary and Joseph wouldn’t just say, you were concieved by the Holy Spirit or something to that effect, to Jesus as he was growing up. They were both faithful followers, why hide that from God in the flesh!

Once again it brings up this scripture: don’t pay attention to endless myths etc etc. Why do some people try and build teachings on things not found in scripture. An adding words to text, just reading things into the account making it say something it doesn’t? The more I read my Bible and all these articles on this site, I’m learning so much about scripture in Context with the Help of the Spirit. I catch things i hear on the radio now and call it out, to expose it. Thanks Cheryl and everyone for your great input/info/insight.

By Lin

“the point is that when God’s order of leadership is repudiated it brings damage and ruin.

They are basically teaching that sinful women need to be under the authority of another depraved sinner all their life? That is where the damage and ruin come from. Not to mention women spending all their time trying to play their ‘role’ well instead of Abiding in Christ.

GREAT POINT, JUST AMAZING HOW GOD HAS GIVEN YOU THE WISDOM AND LEADERSHIP TO SUM THIS ALL UP IN A NUT SHELL!

OHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eve also had never been ordained to make a decision for herself

Your pretty far gone in my book if you believe the above line. Talk about making the bible say something it doesn’t and they are suppose to be teachers. There both false teachers in my book. I’m glad we called them out. Doesn’t scripture say in the new testament and to all believers that:

1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

I like to ask piper and the other guy, Can/could Eve (The Woman) make a decision to go to the bathroom by herself? ROTFL

What would be the best reference/lexicon to use to show that kephale can mean source or origin in koine Greek?

As you know things are much easyer to search out in this day an age with computers. There is a computer that has every known writting of greek! You just type your word in and the meaning and the computer will pull up every document/writting where the word is used and also in context! I think I read this on CBE (Christians for Biblical Equality) site!

I think in Dr B.’s book “Beyond sex roles” or was it Kevin Giles book “Jesus and the Father”. Or The book “Equal to Serve” at (CBE).Not sure. but these books are good to have in your personal library. All three books talk about 1 Cor. 11.

The comp view I am dealing with thinks that because Paul is addressing this letter to believers, that the ‘every man’ refers to all believing men.  Your point about the later mention of ‘in the Lord’ seems to refute the view that ‘all men’ refers to Christian and non-Christian.  Am I seeing this right?

So my words are not taken out of context (LOL) (Smile).

Paul under the Holy Spirit gives us some basic info to the reader about: God and the Beginning. That Christ is the Head or source of every man….which means Every Human…male and female, believer and nonbeliever etc. That Christ is the Creator.

Later he (paul) turns his focus to the Believers or The Church with the phrase “….In The Lord.” How do we know this? Simple, because you have to be in Christ or “in the Lord” to be a believer, right!

The comps read so much into the text that they can’t see clearly! I’ve been in Christ now for 6 years and I as a child can understand this one! I also have a Dr of divinity degree, its so important as we all know to keep the context and to whom paul is speaking to! First he gives the basics to all, believers and non-believers then like I said before, he changes his focus to the believer by saying “In The Lord” etc. It’s written to tie all this info together for the believer.

Remember, we are the New Creation In Christ or In The Lord, so there are things that believers can put into pratice where as the non-believe needs to know who Christ is and where they stand! The non-believe can’t live like the new creation until they themselfs become born-again! They can’t understand “In The Lord” until they are inthe Lord! I hope this helps.

Your point about the later mention of ‘in the Lord’ seems to refute the view that ‘all men’ refers to Christian and non-Christian.  Am I seeing this right?

so my words are not taken out of context (LOL).

when the verse says all men that includes all men…everyone! Believers and Nonbelievers..all humans!

the phrase “In the Lord”…. Paul is now turning and speaking to believers/the church because you have to be “in the Lord” to be a believer.
Paul by the Holy Spirit tells us first that Christ is the creator or source of man..all!
It seems to me that the spirit is giving us the reading some basic info on God and the Beginning! Then it goings into speaking to the Believer “In The Lord”…the new creation in Christ! Does this clear things up for you?

what do you make of the phrase “in the Lord”?
i know some who use this phrase as a kind of ’spiritual’ status in Christ, rather than applicable to ministry/ roles in the church body …just as some argue Gal 3:28 is ‘purely’ salvation ’status’…

….”in the Lord”?

Paul is speaking to “BELIEVERS” or if you claim to be a believer don’t live like a pagan or follow the ways of the pagans!

1 Corinthians 1:11 However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.

In other words as believers we don’t treat our women like the pagans do vice verse etc. We are all one/equals!

Cheryl sums it up good:

There is to be no competition between men and women because God has overridden any advantage that one has over the other. Men and women are interdependent (verse 11) because in the beginning God created man to be the source of the woman but since then woman has been the one to produce the man. However God is the ultimate source not any man or woman because all things originate through Him.

So you see there is no or shouldn’t be no battle of the sexes in the church, the battle of the sexes is pagan/of the world/from the fall/sin! This should not be in the Church/Among Believers! Paul is cleaning house and setting matters straight!

Christ is the key to understanding and wisdom!

Colossians 2:3 (New King James Version)

3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—

Ephesians 1:17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

I always like to back up a comment of mine with scripture because in the end it’s not us it’s Him! I love Col. 2:3, I think/know that Christ is the key to understanding these matters of scripture and like i said before once we have that firm foundation in Christ then when we look at scripture we won’t read into it or make it say something it doesn’t because we have our perfect foundation laid already! For me, once I understood Christ and that he isn’t lesser, then I was able to under the rest of the text in 1Cor 11 in it’s perfect context by the Holy Spirit! I know this will help others as it did me.

Hello,

You should look at the book by Dr. B. called “Beyond Sex Roles” and goes into this teaching, that the context of the Bible supports that Kephale means SOURCE!

Christ is the key to understanding and wisdom!

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Now there are three things that we can note from this verse:

A)1. Christ is the “head” of every man

B)2. The man is the “head” of a woman

C)3. God is the “head” of Christ

First off notice the order of it, if this was a chain of command then #3 should be listed first then # 1 then #2. So instead of ABC order we have CAB order! Did you see that!

Also Having a firm foundation on who Christ is! Jesus is God and what that means will help! so now lets break this down:

Christ is the “head” of every man
meaning source….why? because scripture says in Col 1:16
for by Him all things were created……all things were created by him,and for him.

the man is the “head” of the women
meaning source…why? because scripture says in Gen. Cha 2 that she came from adams side/rib. Notice: that in the creation account she is made from his side or rib, why? To show she can rightfully stand and take her place next to Adam as a Full equal! Also as Cheryl stated and the Bible text as well,that now all other men Male and Female have there birth through Woman! So in the end it all evens out.
The comps want to say that the order of creation forms a chain of command but they fail to apply their false teaching/misunderstanding all the way through because part of creation is that Woman bears the rest of mankind, we have our birth through our mother (a Woman)! So there all under there Mothers (A Woman) (LOL)! You see how one error leads to one after the other!
Men and Women and fully equal and the only one we are under is God, case closed!

God is the “head” of Christ
meaning Source, Why? First off, Jesus is God and He has no beginning or end! However the Incarnation (a point in time) did have a source or origin/starting point!

So the verse can be read like this: God is the head or source of Christ the Incarnation because the Christ Is God!

the comps run into error…Big ERROR because they been feed food poison to think Jesus is somehow lesser to the Father!

Col. 3:11
……but Christ is all,and in all.

1Cor.15:28
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Notice: Christ is all, and in all, and that God may be all in all!
Jesus is FULLY God and can be no less in anyway!

The Comps are taking the incarnation and reading into it and making it say something it doesn’t and using it to lesson Jesus somehow, which is very sad! That would be like taking the Creation account and reading into it and saying God was created, which is very sad!

My advise to you (everyone) is check these things out and test everything, test everything that I typed and you will start to see things for yourself. Just pray always and the helper the Holy Ghost will teach you!

Hi Cheryl,

I was doing some quick studing before i went too work and I was reading Col. cha 3 when I came across verse 11 and made me think of 1 Cor. 15:28! I throught of your new Trinity DVD set, Love It!

Now after reading these two verses, how can anyone think of Jesus as Lesser!!!!! Jesus is NOT eternally under the Father, we know that. These scriptures nail that for me and for my  own understanding, any throughts? Your DVD helped some much, Thanks.

I also send a rebuke in Love Too Dr. Tony Evans because he was on the radio WMBI 90:1 chicago saying Eve added to God’s word. I send the Radio station a nice message in love with two of your articles and they will forward to Mr Evans to rebuke this error/false teaching. Thanks for everything.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Thanks Don and Cheryl for this great info! I get it now.

Hi Cheryl,

I have a quick question! When God made the Woman from Adam’s side did he have to breath into her the breath of life to make her a living soul or did she get life from Adam meaning once her body was made it just came alive like a newborn baby? Please shine some light on this Cheryl!

I know in Genesis cha 1 he created them male and female. Does that imply breathing live into each one?

Hello,

I just got the Trinity DVD “Love It”! I’m starting to pass it out to some! Please Pray as always. Thanks Cheryl for all your hard work! You nailed every scripture on the topics at hand! Amen Jesus Is Lord!

Truthseeker,

1. Pray for wisdom as in James. cha 1
   2.The NET Bible and compare it will other Tranlations!

3.Beyond Sex Roles by Gilbert Bilezikian

4.Equal to Serve
Women and Men Working Together Revealing the Gospel
by Gretchen Gaebelein Hull

5.Cheryl’s DVDs

add these books/DVD’s to your Library! #1 is Pray for wisdom He will give it to you!

mutual submission

I tried to explain it to one of my comp friends. His answer was:  Two people can’t submit.” end quote

I don’t know if he realized it but he did Mutual Submission on his wedding day. His bride and him BOTh agreed to say I DO on that day and BOTH agreed to sign the marriage certifcate. Sound like Mutual Submission to me. I told his that unless you both mutual submit to one another then your raping your wife everytime you lay down with her! I gave him alot of food for throught!