Ramiro

Hello Cheryl,
Thanks for the quick responses to my questions. I am enjoying the research and homework that you have given me.
In response to: “It doesn’t seem to me that “science” is in search of the truth. “Science” is published as having the truth. It was supposedly the truth when I was a child and it is supposedly the truth now. I don’t think that using a rubber ruler is helpful at determining the truth.”
I give the following: “In this situation the Church does not advocate prudence and restraint, but courage and decision.
There is no reason not to take up a position in favor of truth or to be afraid of it. The truth and everything that is true represents a great good to which we must turn with love and joy. Science too is a way to truth; for God’s gift of reason, which according to its nature is destined not for error, but for the truth of knowledge, is developed in it.” -John Paul II to teachers and university students in Cologne Cathedral, Saturday, November 15, 1980.
I checked out the website that you recommended for the following: “There are two sides to the story so that what is claimed as “evidence” has been challenged. Answersingenesis.org has brought a serious challenge to the “evidence” of science that appears to dispute the Bible’s record. I highly recommend their web site.”
The following is the conclusion found at the website you recommended to me on this subject:
“The best way to learn about history and the age of the earth is to consult the history book of the universe—the Bible. Many scientists and theologians accept a straightforward reading of Scripture and agree that the earth is about 6,000 years old. It is better to use the infallible Word of God for our scientific assumptions than to change His Word in order to compromise with “science” that is based upon man’s fallible assumptions. True science will always support God’s Word.” -Answeringgenesis.org
I wasn’t swayed in any way unfortunately. So I did more research and I highly recommend the following website: talkorigins.org and more specifically the following page on the same site: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientific_age_earth.html
There was a lot to learn on that subject and I enjoyed every minute of it, as I’m sure you can relate.
To this: “What is claimed as truth needs to be measured by something that is really true. We are told by the Scriptures that we are to test all things and to hold fast to what is true. When I am corrected by the truth of the Scriptures, I will let my false ideas go. But I will never test the Scriptures by science.”
I reply with a simple two-part question: Can you envision anything that while change your mind on this subject? If the answer is “no” (as it appears to me), then is this really a discussion that we are having?
Again, thank you for your time, enjoy this day and I hope to hear from you soon.

Hi Cheryl,
I haven’t had time yet to read all the responses but I did read down to this part and I’ll quote you, not as a cherrypick but because I couldn’t get past this without questioning what you’re trying to say with the following:
“The bottom line is are we going to believe what God has said (his testimony) or are we going to believe the testimony of science? The one thing that I know for sure science has changed their dating system by billions of years just in my own lifetime. I remember in my early years of school being taught that the earth was millions of years old. I didn’t pay attention to when it exactly happened, but the earth got a lot older sometime through the years. Now we are told it is no longer millions of years old, but billions of years old. Animals now are not just millions of years old, but hundreds of millions of years. That is a significant change, but the truth hasn’t changed since truth is consistent.”
You are correct about science changing it’s dating of the world. That’s how science works, it keeps adapting in search of the truth. Technology has advanced in your lifetime. There are new dating methods with clear empirical evidence such as fossil evidence, Radio-carbon dating, ice core samples, just to name a few. Is denying this kind of evidence part of the pursuit of truth? Is truth really consistent? The world would still be flat and we would be at the center of the universe if truth was consistent. Truth is subjective. What I view as the truth may not be what my neighbor views as the truth. Do history books tell the truth? Do I tell the truth? Do you tell the truth? I could tell you that I tell the truth and would you have to believe me? No, you obviously wouldn’t have to believe me.
I’ve put aside my assumptions. I’ve kept myself open to new understanding. I hold my beliefs in an open hand and not a tight fist.
Thank you for your time and I look forward to your response.