Rick Martinez

Sorry, I disagree. Jesus’ statement in verse 65 is referring to verse 63. “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” Verse 64 is simply a narrative of the unbelief of those hearing, because they had not been given life by the Spirit. Then Jesus says in verse 65, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.” Jesus did know who would believe…it would be those who had been given life by the Father. It is the Spirit who gives life. The causation that you refer to Cheryl is the life that Spirit gives resulting in and causing a man to come to Christ. Of course the Father wouldn’t give unbelievers to Jesus. That goes without saying. That is not what is meant by the statement in verse 65. This is a clear reference to election. You have convoluted the meaning in order to try to disprove sovereign election. Vs. 63- The Spirit gives life. Jesus has spoken words of life. Vs. 64 – There were many who did not believe, and Jesus knew who they would be. Vs. 65 – For this reason (they had not been given life by the Spirit) they did not believe. That is the logical and clear sequence of thought in those three verses. Your interpretation is twisting what is clear.