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andy zoppelt

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2009-10-22T06:23:16-07:00 on Wayne Grudem 4
#6894

As men and women we have all built a lot of fences and walls that are dividing us. We have missed the major issues for the sake of the minor issues. I guess I tremendously disagree in what is happening in this country as far as the body of Christ goes and not just with women. I weep and cry over its many divisions and the lack of real concern I see in those who have been entrusted with the sheep. I feel we have all been riding the side roads too long, we need to get back on the main road again. Love is the bond of perfectness and nothing we do or achieve will surmount the place of Love. Yes capital ‘L’
I for years have been bothered by my aggressive personality… it comes from that old airborne/ steel worker in me. I fear no man and don’t mind telling folks what I think when they are wrong. The bulk of my aggression was done away with about 30 years ago. Recently (last 10 years) I have been learning that I am not ready to be used of God… I would be an offense to Him and bring shame to Him as His disciple.
I am looking at the beatitudes with a much keener heart and eye. I need to change… and so do we all if God is going to use us. What are our kids seeing in us? Scripture tells me that Jesus was lowly and gentle of heart. That is what I want and that is what we all we need.
I am living at 777 Wilderness Ave, Preparation City, Heaven and God is reducing me to nothing… I don’t have many more years to make mistakes [70 now]. I am working on being nothing… and have invited other to move in with me at my new home…it is just behind the cross. Institutional church, House church, simple church… maybe no church… it is all about what is in the room or building

2009-10-16T04:45:56-07:00 on Wayne Grudem 4
#6880

one passage: The mistranslation hinges on the Greek verb, authentein.
I have been a pastor for 35 years and a Christian for 45 years. I now have a house church and left the big church with all its innate competition.

In my honest search of the word authenteo, it seams to have taken me to a sexual connotation, to murder and to dominate. It is clear that Paul was not referring to a man’s right of authority and that the women were abusing his authority… that is an assumption not scripture. If authenteo is a type of women teaching a mixed message with sexual overtones, we have it in Rev 2:20, “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.” NKJV

So we have a fact that this practice was done during the first century.

In Mark 10:42-43, we have the perfect usage of the Greek word to “exercise authority over” katexousiazousin. We have a compound word with the preposition kata and the verb exousiazo.

“You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you [including men]; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.” Mark 10:42-43

If authenteo in the Greek meant authority, why didn’t Paul use it in 1Tim. 2:2, just a few verses up? “Kings and all those in authority”

My first message I preached was “the women should be silent in the church.” I was a young man that accepted the KJV as being infallible. Since then I question many of the words they have used: church, baptize, deacon, office of, apostle, etc..

I have seen God use many women more than He was using me, so what can I say? I needed to follow the evidence and reexamine the scriptures and the Greek. I even thought maybe the men should be silent because of the injustices they have brought into God’s assemblies (church is the wrong word)!!! All through history it has been men that corrupted the assemblies (church), the translations and on and on. We have destroyed body ministry, given names to His assemblies, created deep divisions, organized it to where people don’t even experience friendship let alone first love. I say let the women speak.