Stanley Porter's objection: future tense 'shall be saved' doesn't work with Eve
ALL The Debates Over 1 Tim 2_11-15: Women in Ministry part 12 (it took me a year to make this)
10:44:02 – 10:46:04
Mike addresses Porter's argument that the future tense of sozo contradicts Eve as the subject.
Stanley Porter argues that 'she shall be saved' uses a future tense, but Eve's fortunes have already been determined — she lived and died long ago. Therefore the future tense doesn't fit Eve as the subject. Mike rebuts using Romans 5:9: Paul regularly speaks of salvation in future terms even for those who have already received Christ. 'We shall be saved from the wrath' in Romans 5:9 refers to the final eschatological judgment that has not yet occurred — even for Eve. Paul's theology of salvation includes a 'not yet' dimension (final judgment, final resurrection) that applies to all believers, including Eve. Jared August further supports this: in 1 Tim 4:16 and 2 Tim 4:18, sozo is used in the future tense for final salvation/sanctification, characteristic of Paul's Pastoral Epistles style.
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ALL The Debates Over 1 Tim 2_11-15: Women in Ministry part 12 (it took me a year to make this) @ 10:44:022023-11-22