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Bethel's standard for 'heaven on earth' is too low: they aim for physical healing while Revelation 21:4 promises no death, sorrow, or pain — which has not yet come

Bill Johnson's Theology and Movement Examined Biblically. 00:42:36 – 00:44:07

Mike argues that Bethel's version of heaven-on-earth falls short even of its own claim

Revelation 21:4: 'God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor pain.' Mike notes that Bethel's goal is financial and physical healing — but the actual biblical description of heaven on earth includes the abolition of death itself. Kris Vallotton has reportedly said no one in their congregation is allowed to die except of old age — but even that falls short of Revelation 21:4's promise that death itself will be abolished. The full fulfillment belongs to a future eschatological season, not the present age.

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