Sheep and goats: Sye challenges Winger to find one verse that says goats become sheep; argues the analogy is consistent with Calvinist election — goats are always goats from God's perspective

Sye argues: Jesus says 'my sheep hear my voice' — not 'my goats become sheep.' He challenges any viewer to find a Scripture verse where goats become sheep. He then argues that from God's omniscient perspective, the destination of every person is certain before they are born, which is consistent with the sheep/goats distinction. Winger notes that Jesus's sheep/goats usage is minimal (primarily Matthew 25) and should not be over-extended as a universal category. He also notes that in one sense, all of us are born as 'goats' who are transformed by regeneration.