John 3:5 "born of water and the Spirit": Mike defers to Michael Heiser's podcast work placing this in its Jewish context

Mike acknowledges having done extensive studies on this but cannot recall enough detail to summarize. He refers listeners to Michael Heiser's podcast on John 3 / Jesus's conversation with Nicodemus. Heiser surveys scholarship on the interpretive options and — from what Mike recalls — is most critical of the baptismal regeneration reading. The key interpretive lens is placing the dialogue in its first-century Jewish context.