Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
You said:

Naming her was the mans responsibility.

Sigh! Where does it say that in text? There is no authority or responsibility given in the text. Or do you think that just repeating the same thing over and over again will make it a fact?

God did not say “here Adam this is woman”, nor did God say to the woman “you are woman”. God gave the identification naming to Adam. Only after he did that does the woman know her identity (i.e where she came from and why she was created)

Isn’t it interesting that you can claim that God didn’t say something and then claim that God did give Adam authority to name the woman when those words are not in the text. And to assume that God said nothing to the woman about her identity before He brought her to the man is unprovable and unlikely. You mean that God has to keep silent after He creates the woman and He is not allowed to talk to her while the man sleeps? Oh really?

I am not saying God did not create a woman nor know she was a woman, simply that the responsibility of calling her woman was given to Adam.

You statements are not proof. Give proof of this “responsibility” given by God. Where is it stated? At least you admit that she was a woman before she was brought to Adam, but do you realize that in admitting this fact, that her identity had to come from God and not man?

God created a woman. However her identity is only revealed to the man and the woman after God brings her to him to call her something. Adam calls her woman because he recognises where she has come from- man.

Where does the Bible say that God brings the woman to the man to “call her something”? I think you are confused with the animals. You seem to have missed that God moved on to something far greater than the animals and He treated the woman as His image, not the same as the animals.

10. Finally “Please prove your point. Where does it say that it was “God’s plan for the man to name the woman”. Please give me the inspired words that reveal this in the text.”

This is a big one. So are you denying that it was God’s plan for the man to name the woman. Yes or No?

So you are not going to answer my question again? I asked you to prove your point and you are not going to wiggle out of it. Please prove your point. Where does it say that God gave Adam the authority to name her to rule over her to subdue her or any other terms of rulership? Where is this in the text?????

And yes i did get a revelation that it was God’s plan to name the woman- its called the Bible.

Amen! It was God’s plan to create and identify the woman as woman.

The bible says that Adam named the woman and since i believe that God is sovereign and that nothing happens apart from his will, then yes it was his plan for the man to name the woman.

That is a copout. So God willed the serpent to deceive the woman? And God willed Adam to disobey God? Or do you really mean that God allows things?

The fact is that God allowed Adam to identify with the woman as his own. That does not mean that the woman had no identity until Adam called her woman. That would be a non sequitur.

If it wasn’t his plan, it wouldn’t of happened. The fact that this is the inspired word of God, and the fact that this event happened, shows that this was God’s plan.

So it was God’s plan for Cain to kill Abel and for Satan to rebel and it is God’s plan for me not to believe you? Surely if God must ordain all then the fact that I do not see this in the text means that He has ordained it, right? Then why are you trying to change my mind when God has planned that your arguments will fall to the ground?

Now im not sure if you were pulling a bluff with your comment. But i would really like to know if you don’t think it was God’s plan for the man to name the woman. Please answer this question at least.

It must not be in God’s plan for me to answer your question. Right? That is your position isn’t it? After all you have not yet given me the chapter and verse where God gives a rule of the man over his wife or where God gives Adam authority to name his wife a name that she is unaware of and which does not yet belong to her. I surely must not be in God’s plan for you to fail to give the biblical reference and then demand an answer from me?

Mark, Mark, Mark what are we going to do with you? Your theology has colored the text and you can explain it all away by saying all that is done is God’s plan. Then how do you explain this:

Jeremiah 7:31 (NASB)
31 “They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind.

How is everything in God’s plan when He Himself says that it isn’t? He never commanded the sacrificing of these babies and it didn’t even come into His mind?

Oh boy, I stayed up later than I thought. But I did get through all of your points. Back to you to get through the questions I have asked you.

Cheerio my friend.