Cheryl Schatz

Mark, you said:

2. The preceding passage already shows Adams headship. He was created first, Eve was created from and for Adam.

First doesn’t make one the ultimate ruler. David was not first. And Adam could not usurp Eve’s rulership unless God specifically gave Adam as Eve’s ruler. You admit that Genesis 3:16 is not God giving that authority to Adam, so you are still left with nothing. This is a sad position to be in as a complementarian.

Adam was the only one given the prohibition.

This is not true. Eve gives her testimony that the prohibition was given to them (you as plural). You also admitted in one of your responses that God could have given it to both of them, so your assertion now is without a basis to stand on.

Adam names his wife.

God creates her as woman first. We have already gone over this and since you have not been successful at contradicting my position (begging the question), it does not good to just list these issues again. Either prove your point or admit that you have some issues that you need to think through.

Adam is addressed by God first after the fall,

Are you sure? According to your own reasoning, this “the Adam” could mean Adam and Eve. The fact that you are so sure now that this is just the man seems to show that you weren’t really serious that any case of ‘ha’adam’ can mean more than one person. That’s a big problem for you, Marki.

and Adam renames his wife after the fall.

What has the post-fall got to do with God’s design?

All this indicates Adam’s headship over Eve therefore the reference to ha-‘adam only further emphasises his headship.

You have yet to prove a “headship” of one ruler over the other ruler. If you had a proof, I would have thought you could have brought it out by now. This may be time for you to rethink your position as the true view can stand up to the challenge and answer from the text without begging the question.

Adam is held as the primary responsibility.

God judges between motive. Deliberate sin is not the same as unintentional sin. I haven’t seen your answer to this yet. Do you have one?

IN fact the NT clearly teaches the fall of humanity relies on Adam’s shoulders not on Eve’s.

Yeah! We agree!! There is no inherited sin that comes into the world since she never sinned in rebellion. To make their action of sin on the same level is to ignore God’s words about Adam’s treachery and to ignore the fact that there are sins that are more culpable. I would like to have you address this.