Cheryl Schatz

Lin,
You said:

How can you believe that her turning is not a consequence of the fall?

If her “turning” was against God then this could only happen if she was tempted to sin and fell from the temptation since she did not have a sin nature. Where did the temptation come from? It couldn’t have come from inside her since she had no sin nature inside? Where did the temptation to “turn” against God come from? And if she just decided to give up on God, why did she hold onto His Promise of the Messiah through her? Why did her “turning” against God not destroy her faith in God?

Her turning toward Adam produced Cain, for one thing.

Her turning toward Adam also produced Seth. It also eventually produced Noah and Abraham and David and Mary. Is it really fair to attribute the sin nature of her offspring back to her? If so then why does God encourage women to have children? Does He do this to charge them with their children’s sin?

Ezekiel 18:20 (NASB)
20 “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

If the father will not bear the sins of the son, then how will Eve be charged with the sins of Cain?

And how can Adam rule over her without her consent? The text says nothing about him dragging her out of the garden against her will.

It appears that Eve left the garden willingly to be with Adam, but it is so easy for a person to rule over another person without their consent if the person has the physical power or emotional power to do so. I don’t know if you have ever been ruled over by someone without your consent, but I have. I don’t think that this is a mystery.

You guys are starting to make Eve sound like the comp Eve, a ditzy woman, always easily deceived who acted like a doormat and had no choices and made loyalty to Adam more important than God.

I don’t recall saying anything about Eve being deceived outside garden nor have I read anyone here saying that she was ditzy or a doormat or had no choices. In fact I think I made it clear that she was not kicked out of the garden and that she had the choice to leave. As far as making loyalty to Adam more important to God, it isn’t I who claimed that. In fact I have said that it wasn’t a choice between Adam and God. She could have her husband and her God just like most women. Thank God that we don’t have to make this choice although I realize that some women must make a difficult choice like this.

All I ask is for Scriptural proof that Eve turned her back on God and that she chose Adam over her God. Where is this in the text at all? And is it possible to see Eve as different than the children of Adam?