Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
It is quite like you to ask questions instead of answer them. You may not mean it this way, but it comes across as being evasive.

I was going to answer once again when I see pinklight has just responded to you in summary that is wonderful:

A verse where Paul says for *husbands* to submit to their *wives* does not exist.
A verse where Paul says for all to submit to one another does.
A verse in Genesis saying that Adam had authority over Eve does not exist.

Here’s one way to describe the difference:

“One another” encompasses husbands.
“Helper” does not encompass the concept of “Adam’s authority”.
Being created second does not encompass “Adam’s authority”.
“Eve’s deception” does not encompass “Adam’s authority”
There is nothing in Genesis that encompasses “Adam’s authority”.

Great summary!

Mark, you said:

By the way, i never had the intention to answer your or Susannah’s questions. I simply wanted to show that authority did exist in the pre-fall world.

You had no intention on answer our questions? Why am I not surprised?

Final thought just to re-inforce. I want you to prove from scripture where a husband is told to submit to his wife explicitly- this way the issue should be solved. You can ‘disprove’ all the reverse passages as much as you want, but you must therefore show where a husband is told to submit to his wife. If you cannot do this, the point is proven- egals are teaching a false teaching, something not declared in scripture. Then for you to be consistent, show me the second or third witnesses from the Bible. I will wait for all eternity i assume!

All of us (including husbands and wives) are part of the one another’s that are to submit to each other:

Ephesians 5:21 (NASB)
21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

1 Peter 5:5 (NASB95)
5 You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.

Galatians 5:13 (NASB95)
13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

1 Corinthians 16:16 (NASB)
16 that you also be in subjection to such men and to everyone who helps in the work and labors.

Now what Scripture can you give to show where God delegates authority to the man to be the authority over his wife?