godrulz37

Adam’s sin is not irrelevant because it introduces sin and death into the human race. Physical depravity gives us a propensity to sin vs causative nature. It leads to death (physical, spiritual, eternal, with the latter two kinds personal, not genetic). Moral depravity and sin is strictly volitional, not constitutional, genetic, etc. (Rom. 1-3 is the primary sin/hamartiology passage). There are other explanations for a child sinning without being taught (relating to having legit needs met on demand, but later retaining a selfish worldview beyond infant dependency on adults. Lucifer and Adam sinned without a sinful nature. The will and mind are the seat of moral choice, not a substance, nebulous nature back of the will, etc. The proof texting is thin to try to retain the traditional view in the face of clear passages on the nature of sin (lawlessness, rebellion, selfishness, missing the mark, etc. vs nature). If this is so, then the incarnation/virgin conception relates to Deity adding humanity, God becoming man in one person with two natures. I think it is a misconception based on wrong transducian theories (sin passed on in the male sperm, blood, etc….if that is not speculative beyond Scripture, what is?!) to say the virgin conception/birth was necessary so Jesus was not born a sinner or tainted with sin (but was not Mary a sinner with flawed genetics?!). Wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions. I think the traditional view is tradition, not truth, speculative, not Scripture. Rebellion is not genetic (we can’t blame Adam, Satan, parents, teachers..), but strictly volitional. If you make sin genetic/metaphysical vs volitional/moral, how do you argue consistently against homosexuality being a choice vs innate? Hmmm….. If Jesus just had a human father/mother, He would be human, not God-Man! Having a body does not make one a sinner (unless you are Gnostic/Docetic). Jesus was sinless because He never sinned. We are not sinners because our parents had sex, no fault of our own. Adam is responsible for his sin, we are tainted by it, but we are responsible for our own sin (so babies don’t go to hell because they don’t sin either). The impeccability of Christ is debated. Most say that He could not sin because He was God. Well…. I realize I may be coming across as a heretic, but I don’t take going against the grain lightly and have wrestled with these things for decades (has have you). I risk being misunderstood, but I think there is some food for thought. Thx for your grace and patience.