Cheryl Schatz

Robin, You wrote: Besides that, the Isaiah verse Jesus quoted, “they shall “all be taught,” also seems effectual in its own context. Does it seem effectual in John 6:45? Jesus used the quote to answer those who were grumbling about Him. Jesus used their own grumbling to prove His point. He said that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws him, but the drawing is ineffectual unless one learns from the Father. The fact that Jesus said that EVERYONE who hears AND LEARNS from the Father comes to Him, proves they had not LEARNED of God even though God promised to teach them all. So it isn’t the fault of Jesus that they were not believing in Him. And it is not the fault of the Father that He did not draw them to Jesus. It is their own fault because they refused to believe in Jesus. Remember John 5:46 John 5:46 (NASB) “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. Moses wrote about Jesus, but it was the Father’s words. They did not believe the Father and so they cannot believe Jesus. Jesus gave a conditional statement that had nothing to do with effectual drawing. It had everything to do with believing what was already written.