Cheryl Schatz

Hi Elaine, About the two gospels…I was just saying that the words you use about Israel and the law and that the Jewish nation will be judged on their works under the law is exactly the same wording that this lady uses. She says that Israel will be judged under the law as their gospel is the kingdom, and for the Gentiles, a different gospel was brought by Paul not under the law, but under grace. The minute I read that Israel will be judged by works when the gospel says all will be judged on faith, I see the same reasoning process as she uses. If you actually meant that Israel will be judged on faith apart from works for salvation, with their works only being used for rewards or punishment, then you and I are in agreement. You wrote: There are NOT two gospels but there is a time that the “jews” would have to see the end of the first (law) covenent… as given by God to Moses… the way that they observed it and the “promise” given to Abraham coming to the fore… Eph chap 2 particularly v 14. You would have to agree with me, though, that although Israel was under the first covenant, the acceptance by God was always only through faith, right? There was no other way that the Jewish nation would be right with God as the sacrifices always pointed to Christ. They were not saved by works but saved by faith to good works. You wrote: (the gentiles as a group never had a covenanted relationship with the true God) and throughout the prophets that were pointing to the Messiah which the jews were awaiting (the gentiles weren’t) Only Israel was placed under the first covenant, but any Gentile could also come under the first covenant by joining with Israel and serving God in faith. …unfortunatley for many they did not believe… why? because they never as a covenented people, AS A NATION , not individuals, truly loved the Father, this is shown to be the case throughout scripture. The Jewish nation was elected by God unconditionally, but in loving God and fearing Him, this was always an individual thing, not by nation. Malachi 3:16 explains. Malachi 3:16 (NASB) Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and who esteem His name. Individual names are written in God’s book, not nations. You wrote: I believe God has yet to make known to the future (prophetic) Israelites 144,000 (God knows who these blood tribes are) “the one whom they pierced”… rejected, Jesus the Messiah..their Messiah and this when the last of the gentiles has come in. Future “prophetic” Israelites??? No Cheryl I do not believe in two seperate gospels but I do belive that the jews had to take on board Christ Jesus as being their saviour after having the law whereas the gentiles had a different criteria to overcome (thats the difference in the two, nothing more, not two gospels!!) The Father of Israel believed God BEFORE the law. How then is the law necessary BEFORE faith for Israel? Elaine, what would clear things up for me is knowing which teachers you are listening to. Do you mind listing a few of them so I can understand where you are coming from? There are terms you are using that are unknown to me and I would like to understand. And if you could also tell me if you are a Calvinist or not. Thanks!