Cheryl Schatz

Peter, Thank you for responding. You said: This passage in John 6 is near the start of his ministry – whereas John 17 is kind of the recap at the end and there he provides an encapsulation and report of how things have gone. He lost none of them except for Judas. In John 17:9-19, Jesus is speaking only of the disciples who have been given to Jesus by the Father. Jesus said that He was with “them” and He guarded them, and not one of them (the disciples) perished except for Judas so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. Jesus also says in verse 20 that He is not praying for just “these alone” (the disciples) but also for those who believe (present tense) because of their word. Jesus has not had physical care of these ones who believed because of the preaching of the disciples. Can we agree on this? Here is a second point that we can maybe agree on. In John 6:37 Jesus speaks of a future giving of people who do not yet know Him. Can we agree that the giving of people to Jesus spoken of in John 6 is not a “giving” that is from eternity past? That it is not a giving of people who are no believers and not a giving of people who have been unconditionally hand chosen for salvation from eternity past?