Kim Kaze

There’s also the crucial fact as well, that we are not saved through any actions but through grace ALONE (so childbirth certainly cannot save anyone as an action, though to do so itself is morally neutral scriptually speaking, since men cannot give birth and are considered as saved as a woman is) and also that in the same book of scripture as the discussed verse(s), we see women prophetesses! Now, how can a woman prophecy if she cannot speak in the local church? It is maddness and insecurity to even fathom that Paul was saying no woman should speak or teach in church. I think from all the greek scholars we have, the prevailing and sensical view is that this church had specific problems, some relating to women and that Paul was adressing these.

After all, the Bible ‘actually says’ pluck out your eye if it has caused you to sin’. I don’t know many men who have ever suffered from the sin of pornography/lust who have taken this scripture in a literal fashion, because we know what Jesus was talking about – He was making a strong point. But beign saved by Him cleanses the whole body, so clearly no hand-chopping is required. I think sometimes, the whole ‘but that’s what the Bible actually says!’ thing can become a mantra to certain teachers.