Michael Terran

My reply to Gerald his quotes are in ()

To Gerald,

There is no lack of info your just blinded to the facts

(you call into question the salvation of those who don’t agree with your particular brand of trinitarianism. )

Yeah, I am calling your salvation into question because your doctrine of God/Trinity is wrong, Your views are anti-biblical. It’s another Jesus, the ones the apostles have not preached! Your Jesus is Eternally (Under The Father) Lesser somehow in Function/Power, The Jesus Of the Bible the one I believe in is not eternally lesser because he is Eternally God with FULL POWER!

(You quote Grudem as if his argument is self-evidently wrong)

By his own words he is tried! You can’t say there co-equal in Being then on the other hand say there not co-equal in authority. You can’t have it both ways, if Jesus is lesser Eternally in authority, that would also apply to his being because he is some how lesser to the Father in someway Eternally. Your avoiding my question your not answering it, so you go and get the book and look up what I typed in my last e-mail and then come to the table with some meat.

(It was not a rejection of economic diversity within the Godhead )

Your wrong, the arians were trying to read back the incarnation into the Eternal Trinity not just attacking his being but his workings.

Also in “relation” we have The Father,The Son, The Holy Spirit it’s Dispositional not a sub-ordering. We must remember Neither one is before or after the other.

(Your failure to see a distinction between economy and ontology is your primary problem. )

I have not failure and that’s not my problem but yours! You can’t apply something Eternally to Christ economy and say it doesn’t make him lesser somehow Ontology! The minute you do something like that you indirectly mess with his being!

Read this part in the Athanisian Creed

Thus there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three spirits.

And in this Trinity, no one is before or after, greater or less than the other;

but all three persons are in themselves, coeternal and coequal; and so we must worship the Trinity in unity and the one God in three persons.

Augustine, the Cappodocians, Athanasius, Origen, Tertullian, NEVER put Jesus ‘Eternally” Under The Father or implyed that.NEVER, they never divided the workings of The 3 Divine Persons only distinguished them because they work with one will never divided. When one does something the other 2 are there working as well!

I think I need to deal with someone from you Church is higher up who knows more about the Trinity/Church History then you do.Someone who has studied deeply and did there homework.

You never answered my questions. You want to read the incarnation back into the Eternal Trinity, then what if we use your same understanding/teaching and read Creation back into the Eternal Trinity? Your understanding/teaching is very flawed, it leads to many errors. There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end leads to death!

Bye, Michael