Cheryl

This is from http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=108945&page=2 and is Diane Sellner’s further answer to my challenge of Matt Slick of CARM to debate me in writing on whether women are forbidden by God to teach the bible with authority to men. Matt has been very vocal against women’s teaching the bible with authority to men and very against me personally so it was time to ask Matt to be willing to be confronted with questions as he wrote me in April of 2006 that he believed he was mandated by scripture to answer questions about his teaching. Diane writes:

Sorry, a one hour radio show interview/discussion is not a formal debate, not even close, and for Matt to post on a “gossip” column blog to a bunch of “whiney” feminist supporters with the one in the debate having the control to change the words of the opponents writing, seek help from 5 other people to answer, is NOT even close to a fair or formal debate challenge. I have witnessed other discussion forums where they will edit and change your actual written words to something you did not say and I am sure that Cheryl would be debating Matt on her blog assisted by her husband, friends and every other liberal on the internet. Plain and simple, I don’t trust that women AT ALL. If Cheryl wants a one to one, she would do so in a verbal debate. Matt would be completely opened to false teachers manipulating his arguments and changing his written word to go to “their blogs.” The fact she even asks is completely absurd, of course Matt will not go to some “blog” to post to Cheryl, Matt doesn’t even write on the CARM blog. He has a webpage where all of this has been addressed, ALL of it….. If the radio show or her blogging is suppose to be formal debating, Cheryl would have been fouled by the moderators numerous times, since she does not follow any time limits, uses ad hominem and refuses to answer direct questions by simply repeating the same things over and over…..

When are you going to get this, Matt doesn’t own paltalk, or control paltalk, it is a neutral place, where both sides have equal control and that is why it was offered, no way is CARM going to a Cherlite blog…Ridiculous….It has already been done in writing, the papers are already written, Matt has already answered Cheryl’s arguments, here and on the radio. To suggest that Cheryl should have control on her blog of a formal debate, and Matt should run to some liberal gossip column website to repeat his words written there to the five people that read it, is probably the most ridiculous challenge ever posted on CARM.

If I were Matt Slick, I wouldn’t go to Cheryl’s blog if she paid a million dollars for it. Look at the trouble she caused for the radio station with her whining, threats, demands for “free air time.” I can just imagine the histrionics that would go on her blog. Paltalk, neutral place, where it all can be recorded LIVE, where no one can edit/control the forum or rules and time, and paltalk would not give in to Cheryl’s threats of “I don’t like this, give me free time” nonsense, is the only possibility for a fair debate with Cheryl Schatz. But of course, the self-proclaimed “female” apologist that wants authority to preach, teach and assume authority over men in the pulpit, refuses to defend herself publically when being challenged and cross examined, and I think it is very clear, WHY…..”Oh please come to my blog and write and I can have friends, relatives and every known liberal help me answer the cross examination”…Does not work that way to formal debates…..

One more time, Cheryl Schatz blog is under her control to edit, misrepresent and even change Matt’s words or anyone’s words, we have already witnessed her quotes out of context, snipping out the parts she likes when she answers any challenge, then ignoring the tough questions…….She cannot do that LIVE audio debating and that is why she is running from it and has for months.. Matt has already written to refute Cheryl’s arguments, it is done, she is refuted in writing…..she was refuted on his radio show, she had four hours free air radio time to promote her false teachings and NO one is buying her argument but feminist liberals that were already rewriting Scripture… She was offered a formal debate on neutral territory and refused…

Matt has answered Cheryl Schatz’s arguments in writing, all of her arguments posted here, he has refuted her, if you are interested in seeing her properly refuted, go to the Women in Ministry sections of CARM and read it, just click on my signature. Because Cheryl Schatz contradicts herself from one week to the next, then claims she has been “misrepresented” and threatens people they had better not write this or that, or else, there won’t be many people that will use her name on their websites unless they quote her directly, the reason is obvious..why ….. Cheryl Schatz has NEVER, not ever, subjected herself to a formal debate, with moderators, rules, time limits and being cross examined in her false teachings on neutral ground since being here with CARM. What we see is Cheryl, talking, lecturing, and pats on the back from friends on her blog, no serious debating. She doesn’t KNOW HOW……. A radio show interview and discussion, blogging, or videos and scripts, is NOT a formal debate with rules. I suggest, she refuses because she cannot defend her position without a script and she knows it.

Do not suggest here again that Matt has not answered her in writing, do not even think to suggest anyone is afraid of Cheryl Schatz…PLEASE…. that is bearing false witness, he spent hours and days in writing to her arguments as well as other feminists here he addressed on the CARM home pages. If you can find something Cheryl teaches that he did not address, that is the “proof” to women being elders in Scripture, then list it here and it will be addressed. Otherwise, it is simply bearing false witness to claim she has not been answered. If the woman wants a debate, claims she is an “apologist” wanting to help the “silenced” women, she wants to play with the “big boys” then she had better get the nerve to leave her little blog nest of liberals and whiney girls claiming they want to “rule men” and come out to the real world and prove she is a true apologist…Otherwise, it is just another feminist “blog” as one of the thousands, more blowing smoke and liberal propaganda…..Do we look afraid of Cheryl Schatz to you? My kids know Scripture better then Cheryl Schatz, we just won’t let her manipulate and control, she just does not feel comfortable in her arguments unless she is writing the script, making up her OWN rules and editing everyone else…….

Quit trying to stir up trouble here, the woman has refused a debate, paltalk is not Matt’s format…it is simply the best audio debate website on the net for quality….If Cheryl can’t talk, why on earth is she in apologetics? Time for her to get out of apologetics, go bake some cookies and leave the debating to the “men” that know what they are doing. ……

PS…And why is this so long and wordy? Well I am sick and tired of Cheryl’s blog quoted here, needed to rant myself. chattykathy posting her pages and pages on our forum from Cheryl’s blog of cut and pastes with her hit and run of Cheryl’s same old arguments and propaganda, never responding to anyone, posts that are never answered. This is a discussion board and we do not want to hear anymore about what is posted on some feminist blog…Talk about it here, answer here, or move on…I am sick of this group….