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bgk, ‘Pinklight, I take the phrase that Adam “was not deceived” to mean that his sin was willful.’

‘that his sin (action of eating) was willful’

bgk, you take the phrase which is a fact to mean an action (act of eating = sin) and descriptive of the action (willful)? bgk, I don’t see Paul tieing ‘Adam was not deceived’ into action of eating. That Adam was not deceived is just a simple fact (even if he connects it to another fact about Adam in the 1 Tim 2 passage). Paul did not say, ‘Adam was not deceived into eating’. And Gen 3, does say, ‘and he ate’. So his willful sin IS that he ate.

So I see in scripture that ‘Adam was not deceived’ (Paul) and ‘he ate’ (Gen 3) rather than the first meaning the second. Scripture then tells us two things therefore the one doesn’t mean the other. If ‘Adam was not deceived’ means ‘his sin (or that ‘he ate’) was willful’ then, there are no longer the two facts about Adam. So I think they have to be kept seperated.

‘We do know that the woman was deceived, the key part about being deceived is that one believes something true that is false or false that is true.’

Therefore, Adam who was not deceived, as Paul says, did not believe something to be true (the serpent’s word’s) that was false.

2 Cor 11:3:
3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

When ‘he ate’ was Adam deceived? No.

Therefore that he ‘was not deceived’ (fact 1) when ‘he ate’ (fact 2) describes his state of mind rather than his action of eating itself, i.e., ‘he ate’.

Why was his state of mind not in deception when ‘he ate’? His wife’s was but his was not. He listened to the voice of his wife (Gen 3, God to Adam), but the only thing she said that we have recorded was what she said to the serpent. We cannot add that she repeated to Adam what the serpent said to her about them. We cannot add that she repeated the twisted serpent’s talk. After the woman tells the serpent what they may eat, and then what God said they could not eat, the serpent said that they would not die, (‘you’ is plural).
So he heard what his wife told the serpent. If he heard what she said to the serpent, then he heard what the serpent followed with. After the serpent follwed with ‘You (pl) shall not surely die’ (God told him though in Gen 2, ‘You will surley die’) then his wife saw the tree as desirable for gaining wisdom, then she ate and gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Now we are right back at the beginning, his being ‘not deceived’ and ‘he ate’.
‘There is no indication that he was apart from her and came later. The most direct way to read the passage is that Adam was there with her. The last evidence is that God gave Adam blame for listening to the voice of his wife and the conversation that he listened to is only given as the one where his wife talks to the serpent.’