Cheryl Schatz

Don,

Yes, I too believe that Piper and Grudem are deceiving themselves by reinventing a mean of “not deceived” that is foreign to scripture.  If Adam’s act had not been by a one who knew the truth but defied God anyway, God would not have called his act a treacherous act.

Paula,

Your question about the “plain reading” of scripture is a good one.  i was thinking as I was reading their explanation that they were plain old messing with my head.  Others called this textual gymnastics.  It amounts to the same thing.  Your comment amount the “umbrella made of cheesecloth” made me laugh out loud.