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Chris

2009-03-20

Paula: “As you surely know, ‘most commentators’ is an appeal to popularity. ”

Not really. See http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html:
“If an elite group of people are in a position to know of what they speak, their authority is relevant and should not automatically be discounted. E.g., to remark that most physicians believe that a high fat diet is unhealthy, so that it follows that persons who have a high fat diet should change their eating habits, is to make a legitimate appeal.”

If a few of most commentators are nonexperts, this is no great moment since you still have a legitimate appeal to authority with the experts.

Paula: “Bible.org is staunchly male supremacist, and they are as biased as anyone.”

You’re poisoning the well. And I seriously doubt they are male supremacists. In my experience with others egalitarians, they believe that anyone who advocates role subordination for women teaches, by implication at least, that women are subhuman somehow. This perspective is practically axiomatic for them and warps their understanding of patriarchalism and complementarianism into something that is antithetical to what they actually teach.

Paula: “Again I challenge you to make sense out of claiming that Eve’s deception applies to anyone but her”

God made Adam a steward of moral life in the garden by giving him the garden mandate (Gen 2:15-17). God then declared that Adam was not sufficient to complete the tasks God had set before him alone (Gen 2:18). So, he created Eve to help him (Gen 2:21-23). Adam’s role as steward was denied when Eve took it upon herself to break the garden mandate (Gen 3:6). When Eve reversed this order of creation (Adam first, given the mandate. Eve second, to help Adam) she opened herself up to Satan’s deception, ate the fruit, and fell into transgression. Adam followed Eve (again reversing the order of creation) and sinned too (Gen 3:6). Now, we all have to deal with the consequences of the fall. In the curse God had specific words for the man (Gen 3:17-19), and specific words for the woman (Gen 3:16).

This relates to 1 Timothy 2:11-15 this way: Men in the church today are to be stewards of the gospel as Adam was steward of the garden mandate. This responsibility for men has not ceased with Adam. We are still stewards of the gospel and women are not supposed to take over this responsibility lest they fall into deception like Eve did. If they fulfill their role as women (taking “childbearing” in verse 15 metonymically) continuing “in faith and love and holiness, with self-control”, then they will have protection from deception by the proper stewards of the gospel.

In context, proper stewardship of the gospel is necessary to prevent false teaching and deceptions. This is why Paul also says the elders of the church should be men.

Whew! This explanation is a little quick and dirty so I guess I’ll have to trust your reading comprehension to help make up for its lack of thoroughness. I know, I know. I’m taking an awful risk.

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Interview With The Apostle Paul

2009-03-16