Chris

Paula: “Hogwash. Show me where any scripture puts that interpretation into Genesis. Show me the scripture.”

You’ve failed to understand the nature of the argument. Partly, post #16 was intended to reveal the internal structure of the logic of egalitarian and patriarchalist arguments regarding 1 Timothy 2:12. The patriarchalist makes a modus ponens style argument and the egalitarian responds with a modus tollens. So, the patriarchalist accepts the view that verse 12 proscribes women from teaching and exercising authority over men, and that Paul makes this conclusion from OT teaching. Accepting this, and of course I realize you don’t, the patriarchalist naturally concludes that the proscription is implicit in the order of creation to which Paul appeals. After this, he needs only to reason back to the best explanation (an abductive argument) to understand what Paul probably meant . As far as the patriarchalist is concerned, your protestations about there being no such proscription in the order of creation or the OT anywhere puts you in conflict with the apostle Paul.

So, the scripture is 1 Timothy 2:12-14 (after the antecedent in [P2] is established). Regarding this, I’ve given arguments in post 31 under:

http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2006/12/02/what-does-1-timothy-211-15-mean/

It is interesting to note that one of your own scholars, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis says, “I am not persuaded that 1 Timothy 2:11-15 speaks only to one specific woman. Although I suppose it could be possible, the Greek text does not clearly state this to be the case. As NT scholar Craig Blomberg explains it, although the nouns (“a woman,” “a man”) are singular, they “are indefinite; hence ‘I do not permit a woman to. . .over a man.’ The nouns thus become generic. If they were definite–‘I don’t permit the woman to. . .over the man,’ one could argue that one specific man and one specific woman were in view. But if I write, ‘I don’t permit a child to sleep on a concrete floor,’ I am making a more general statement about not allowing any child to sleep on any concrete floor. ‘I don’t permit children to sleep on concrete floors’ is the semantic equivalent, meaning exactly the same thing.” see: http://menandwomenleaderstogether.blogspot.com/2008/05/adam-and-eve-in-genesis-and-first.html

Up until verse 11 Paul has been giving instructions for men and women using the plurals “men” and “women”. He hasn’t ceased giving instructions to men and women by the change to the singular. The generic singular is used in verse 12 because Paul intends to connect with Eve as the representative of all women collectively.