Chris
2009-04-17
1 Timothy 2:14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Eve performed the action. The action is completed: She became a transgressor. Her action has the consequences found in Genesis 3:15-16. The consequences continue.
This interpretation of the perfect tense ‘ginomai’ fits the definition I cited previously from http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm#PERFECT:
“The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect. In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.”
The perfect tense presents no problem for my interpretation.
But let’s not just look at the definition. Here are a couple examples:
John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished (perfect tense),” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
The redemptive work of Christ is finished. The action is completed. The consequences continue. God’s elect are saved by the finished work of Christ.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered, “It is written (perfect tense), ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
It stands written. The action of writing is completed, but the word of God endures. The consequence is that you can continue to depend on it.
In the first example, there is no continuing state of finishing. It is finished. In the second example, there is no continuing state of writing. The writing is done.
Cheryl: “The fall into transgression is a complete state but the transgression is a continuing state.”
It’s like you haven’t even read the definition. The action is completed. Please don’t conflate the terminology by saying “the fall into transgression is a complete state”.
Cheryl: “The grammar is the perfect tense which means that the results of her actions are continuing. She is still in that transgression.”
Again, the action of becoming a transgressor is completed. That Eve continued to be a transgressor after she became one is beside the point. Even on your interpretation, that ‘the woman’ is a specific wife, a continuing transgression would be problematic since Paul was supposedly stopping her from teaching false doctrine.
Cheryl: “So not only do you have no proof in the passage that Paul has made Eve to be a representative of all women, but you have disregarded the perfect tense in verse 14 eliminating Eve since she is long dead.”
Eve’s death does not end the consequences of her transgression for women (Genesis 3:15-16).
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