15 Mark,

You said:

I honestly think Cheryl has probably just worded this badly, because my point is that Jesus deity (man- ness and God-ness) can only be present when he is both. I am not saying Jesus didnt exist until his incarnation-that is complete heresy, do not think this is what i mean.

Mark, I think that you are likely wording this badly as it comes across as if Jesus cannot be God unless He is both God and man. Since He was not man in the OT, then was He also not God? You seem to imply this, but somehow I don’t think this is what you mean.

Perhaps I can reword again for you to understand better. The Word always existed as God and He didn’t stop being God when He became man. We call Him Jesus but He wasn’t known as Jesus before He became man, but none-the-less He existed as God in full and complete unity with the Father and the Holy Spirit. As a human He was not two persons but He had two natures as He was not 50% God and 50% man but 100% God and 100% man. If we want to know that the Word of God is within the Trinity we want to be careful to see Him as He is without confusing what He is with the human nature He took on. If we only look at His Deity in the NT as the man Jesus, then we may be confused and say that as God He has a will that is different than the Father’s. The fact is that God has one united will as God is one united Being.