gengwall

Yeah TL – I don’t really have a problem with that per se, although, as you have said, death in itself is the ultimate punishment. But one can’t deny that the specific whatever-you-call-it, i.e. “pain in childbirth” is uniquely female and appropriately directed only to Eve (and women). That is a reality you need to account for, whatever the terms you use. I will point out that I do see a parallel for men.

The point is that neither gender gets “off scot free” for their sin. But as Cheryl has said, the judgement, if you will, for the woman has a strikingly different structure to it than what befalls the man and serpent. I think on that we agree without question.