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A. Amos Love

2009-08-19

Cheryl – Wow!!! This stuff is good stuff.

Jousting with windmills. Mythical giants and all. Love it.

And believe it or not I have some questions. : o )
Please don’t banish me. God loves me. xoxoxox

Does anyone here belong to D.A.M.?
Mothers Against Dyslexia.

What would a rabbi with dyslexia
from Brooklyn say about these discussions?

Yo!

Dyslexia – a general term for disorders that involve
difficulty in learning to read or interpret words,
but that do not affect general intelligence.

Does the ekklesia, His disciples, suffer with dyslexia?
Do they have difficulty in learning
to read or interpret words? Hmmm?

The Bible warns us about – the commandments of men
the philosophies of men – and the traditions of men
that make the Word of God of non effect.
Mk 7:14

Traditions of men??? AAAHHHHRRRRGGGGG!!!!
(Leaders, bah humbug) (Messing everything up.)
Are they spreading the commandments of men?

I have been asked to leave, when I asked questions about this one.

Men wanting to be in control said,
when Jesus ascended on high He gave gifts to men
and “these elders” were God’s gift to me.
They would call them asention gifts. Oy vey!

No kidding, “my elders” they really said this.
How very very funny. How very arrogant. How very deceived.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Rom 1:22

Has anyone ever met an elder/shepherd/leader/overseer
who fullfils the qualifictions for a bishop/elder?

Really, Can you have elders without the qualifications?
Hmmm? Just another windmill?

Dyslexia – dyslexia – dyslexia – everywhere. AAAHHHHRRRGGG!!!

When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,
and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:8

And he gave some,
apostles; and some,
prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:11

Have you ever looked at the “some?”

Who does the “some” refer to?
No really, do you know who “some” refers to?

Does the “some” refer to the saints?
Does the “some’ refer to apostles?

Did he give “some” saints, apostles?
And “some” saints, prophets?
And “some” saints, evangelists?
And “some” saints, pastor – teachers?

Or did He give “some”
apostles,
prophets,
evangelists,
pastors – teachers
to “all” the saints?
to “some” saints?

Does every congregation
get all five, or is it four in Greek?
an apostle,
a prophet,
an evangelist,
and a pastor – teacher?

Do all the saints get to learn
from “some” apostles?
Or, only “some” saints?

When you’re in a room
or better yet a congregation,
with an apostle,
and a prophet,
and a evangelist,
and a pastor – teacher,
Who is the leader?
Who submits to who?
Who submits to God?
Is the pastor – teacher in last place?

If they are titles and not functions of the body
does the pastor submit to the evangelist?
the evange….

My brain hurts….

If there are over 500,000 pastors in this country;
Where are the apostles and prophets?

If there are no apostles and prophets;
why are there still pastors?

In the Bible, How many people are… called pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… ordained a pastor?
In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?

When did pastor become a title? A profession?

Sorry, please forgive me.
I haven’t found anyone who could answer these questions
in a reasonable manner and I can’t stop.
New ones keep popping up.

Why does the body of Christ suffer from spiritual dyslexia?

Why does the ekklesia, His disciples, have
difficulty in learning and interpreting words?

Could it be our leaders/teachers/elders teaching man’s traditions?

Mark 7:13
KJV – Making the word of God of “none effect” through your tradition…
ASV – Making “void” the word of God by your tradition…
NIV – Thus you “nullify” the word of God by your tradition…

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Jeremiah 17:5

Just wondering and wandering.
Keep dreaming the impossible dream.

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Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Debate 6

2009-08-19