Cheryl Schatz

gengwall, you also said that Paul was only convinced that one woman would be saved (on condition…) and the reason, you said is:

Because there is only one for which Timothy has provided specifics. Others may not have the very same circumstances.

That would be a problem because the only circumstances that are provided for the prohibition are for the generic “woman” situation. What exactly was the prohibition for the specific woman? It isn’t given unless “the woman” is to be seen in verses 11 & 12.

Even with chap 1, Do you believe that any other woman who might fall into transgression in a like manner to this woman will automatically receive salvation regardless of other extenuating circumstances?

I think if we take careful note of the conditions that Paul creates in verse 15, any woman should fall under this “saved..if…” statement. It is the conditional “if” that makes all the difference.

Paul is not proclaiming either a singular salvation or a global salvation. He is simply addressing the one case for which he has all the facts.

I am not sure what you mean by this statement. What do you mean that he is not proclaiming a singular salvation that is conditional?

Your interpretation stands on its own. I see no reason to doubt it as a possibility or rebutt it.

Well, again I am not saying that I am infallible and that your version cannot be correct, but I am unconvinced and it seems to me that it has some issues that doesn’t make it seem likely.

My question to you would be, why would Paul have to make a strict prohibition about generic “woman” whom he has little information about their circumstances? And what would the need be to even talk about a specific woman if she fit in with the generic “woman” statements. Wouldn’t Paul have to make a clear statement in verse 15 that “the woman” (not just a generic she) alone will be promised salvation if…? How come no definite article in verse 15 to make it clear that the “she” is absolutely not the generic “woman” from verses 11 & 12?

I believe these kinds of problems are not there in my interpretation of “a woman” of 1 Tim. 2:11, 12 being the same “woman” of verses 14 and verse 15. I also believe that our own interpretation should be held up to inspection and challenge. For if it is truth, it will stand firm. I am certainly willing to listen to your explanation that might make your understanding in a better position of being without problems.

Carry on, my friend!