Lin

“as far as i know, that means for 450years the church understood kephale to not mean ’source’-this is significant.”

Why would the Holy Spirit inspire Kephale when there are quite a few very clear Greek words for authority if God had wanted to clearly communicate that a wife has a chain of authority between her and Jesus Christ?

“I in no way am intereseted in keeping my authority and i find it hard to see this in anything Piper has said. We hold to this view because we believe in the authority of the bible, and believe this is what the bible teaches. It has nothing to do with wanting authority.”

I am not going to spend time looking for Piper quotes but male preeminance/authority is all over his speaking and writing. He does use a lot of adjectives when describing it, that does try to mask what it is.

However, I also believe in the authority of the Bible. I believe you have to read into scripture to get preeminance for men in the NC. In the OC, it is a result of the fall/sin that God works through. Patriarchy is more of a sin trap for men than anything.

The NC teaches being a servant. Giving up our rights (for all believers) and that we are not to lord it over like the Gentiles. It is teaches mutual submission for all believers. It teaches spiritual gifts. An elder, whether male or female would look more than Matthew 5 than a Pharisee.