Lin

“This is precisely the issue I have. Egalitarians argue that there is no creation order in Gen, then when we look at this passage in Corinthians the answer changes from’ no creation order’ to ‘so what’, it ‘means nothing’ using your own words. It is inconsistent, do you believe there is a creation order but it means nothing, or do you believe there is no creation order?”

The only significance of creation order is DECEPTION. Since Eve was created last, she did NOT see God creating the Garden or even perhaps the animals. She was a perfect target for Satan. Adam DID see these things. He KNEW. The difference is that Adam sinned willfully with his eyes wide open. Eve was deceived. Both are SIN. But read what Paul says to Timothy about this in 1 Tim 1. Paul says he sinned out of ignorance. And he has compassion for those who do. But not for Hy and Al who willfully deceive on purpose.

That is the ONLY significance of creation order. There is not one place you can show me in Gen 1-2 that God says that Adam is in charge of Eve. That he is her authority. You have to read that into the text. You have to make inferences.

And comps do. They claim that Ezer is a junior assistant. they claim that creation order automatically means heirarchy. And so on. All of that is reading into the text. I mean, think of the facts that could be misrepresented: Cows are more important than Adam because they are created first. Eve is more important because she is created lastand is God’s crowning creation and called an Ezer like God is called an Ezer.

These statements are just as ridiculous as comps saying Adam is over Eve because he was created first.

Bruce Ware teaches that Eve was made in the ‘indirect image’ of God and is a derivative. As if creation materials are where we receive the Image of God.

It is so obvious what is happening in Genesis when we take our patriarchy blinders off. God wants Adam to see that he is alone and needs someone comparible to himself. So he has him name a bunch of ugly animals. So when Eve is presented, he is like WOW! Flesh of my flesh….she is LIKE HIM! God says a One Flesh Union. Where in that description do you see authority/subordinate relationship?

What comps are doing is teaching the sin of the fall as virtue. I heard someone else call it sanctified sin. That is all it is. One human, because of male genitals, is to have authority over another human without those genitals. For some reason, the genitals make them in charge of the woman. (Sorry but that is really what you are saying)

But if we are really going to be honest, we have to say that Adam sinned willfully with his eyes wide open. So why would Adam or his descendents be more qualified to lead women as Eve was deceived and admitted it! It makes no sense. I mean, if all women are more easily deceived because of Eve then we surly do not want them teaching kids or even other easily deceived woman. This is another place the comp position breaks down badly.

What does make sense is the real rendering of Teshuqua in Gen 3:16 where it is rendered as Eve turned away from God and toward her husband. And because of that he would rule her. We see it lived out in sinful man right after the fall. So teaching women to follow their husbands lead instead of Jesus Christ, is quite insidious. She cannot serve two masters or 2 ‘heads’ if it means authority.