Cheryl Schatz

Mark,
You said:

Conclusion- I believe that the doctrine of the ESS is true orthodox teaching regarding the Trinity. However I do disagree with using the term subordination as it has had many uses throughout this historical debate and should be avoided in my opinion. Frank, I pose this to you, that you look beyond the terminology and look at the doctrine. Then you will see who is the orthodox view.

Do you really believe that the eternal Word has a different will in opposition to the Father’s will? Do you believe that Jesus as the eternal Word is not to have the highest honor alongside the Father? Is only the highest honor and highest worship to go to the Father? Do you also agree that different “roles” is also a subordination of actions so that Jesus cannot operate in full Deity by having a personal relationship with us through prayer and with our full worship? I am wondering if you really understand the implications of ESS and if you are willing to stand before Jesus in the judgment and tell Him face to face that He was limited in the exercise of His Deity to a lesser position so that His will was never used in the Trinity, that He isn’t worthy of prayer and that He is limited in action in the Trinity? For those who think this way, I wouldn’t want to be standing next to them when they say this before the King of Kings and LORD of lords, our God and Savior Jesus Christ.