Lin

“I agree that we must condemn false teaching or those who promote abuse, but all i want to warn is don’t do it under a banner of sin in your own lives. For example linkning John Piper as a man who does such things is a serious charge. Beware lest you be judged yourself!”

Here are Pipers own words. To a woman who has endured abuse whether ongoing verbal, emotional or physical from a PROFESSING Christian husband, his words are like a knife in the back. And you want us to worry about the victim’s sin? We hear about that all the time ad nauseum. What we are less likely to hear is a full blown admonition of abuse by those who are given earthly authority by comp teaching.

http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2009/08/21/john-piper-on-submission-in-abuse/

But I would like to hear what you think is sin by the abusee? Or those who want to protect those abused. Is it daring to talk about it? Is it pointing out teaching that keeps women in abusive situations? Exactly what sins are you warning us against?

I agree with Lydia. I would like to see if Piper would live with this day in and out with a perceived authority over him. Taking personal abuse daily whether emotional or physical. See, I don’t think he would. He would recognize it was a deep rooted sin problem and rebuke that person, maybe even try to change jobs or go over this person’s head. Espcially if this person was a professing Christian. Piper would know that submitting to this is only enabling sin and affirming sin. If he worked in the secular world, there are laws protecting employees from this sort of abuse.

Now Mark, I beg you not to do what most comps do and tell us that is not what Piper was really saying. Comps do this all the time with their favorite teachers. They keep telling me that Ware does not mean what Ware teaches, either. :o)