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Dave

2009-11-11

”I hope you can see how my view of kephale is supported contextually in 1 Corinthians 11 even if you don’t agree with me. Cheryl, thank you for being willing to post my paper”

Yes, thanks Cheryl posting the paper!
No Mark, I am afraid I cannot see how your view of kephale is supported contextually in 1 Cor 11. As Cheryl has already noted, you begin by telling us your view of what kephale means, and then you construct an exegesis (for the want of a more accurate term!) that fits your understanding of kephale. I feel I was built up with false promises of looking at the context to determine the meaning. ?
This is clearly seen in your point 2 where you say,

”One might object to me saying what about “woman is FROM man…but all things are FROM God (verses 12, 8). But I do not think this supports the ‘source’ hypothesis over hierarchy, rather it gives ‘source’ as the basis for the authoritative teaching. Now my view of how it fits into the passage will follow below.”

Basically you “do not think this supports the “source” hypothesis…and then you move on to tell us how what you “think” “fits into the passage”.
Two comments I want to make.
1 – You said, “But none the less what does Paul mean by “God (the Father) is the head of Christ”. This language is consistent with the Father and Son language used by Jesus and the rest of the New Testament.”
It was Peter Moore (comp lecturer at the Pressie college in Sydney – a lovely bloke and good friend) who enlightened me to the fact that in the NT Father means Father and God means God! Mark you cannot simply change God to mean Father by inserting your understanding in brackets. I know this could start us back to the previous discussion on “Jesus’ actual words”, but lets not go there! Rather we need to accept that God means Father Son and Holy Spirit. So who is the head of Christ? All three, including Christ himself. This is consistent with eternal generation but it also recognises that there is a oneness in the Godhead that we do not understand and will not understand until we experience that oneness ourselves, as it was lost at the fall. To me your failure to understand the Trinity at this point undermines much of your further thoughts as you have imported something into the Trinity that does not exist – hierarchy. Although the NT does tell us the Father sent the Son (which is also true), here, in a passage you claim to be about authority Paul makes a point of saying Jesus is sent by the Father, the Spirit – AND himself.
If there is no hierarchy in the Godhead, then God being the Head of Christ must mean that Christ has his origin in the Godhead. What else could it mean?
2 – The gift of teaching is not given to elders, but rather, those with a gift of teaching are eligible to be teaches. Otherwise how was Timothy to know who would fit the requirements for being an elder?

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Comp View Of 1Cor11 Mark

2009-11-10