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Cheryl Schatz

Cheryl Schatz

2009-11-11

Mark,
You said:

I know Cheryl sees this as husbands/wives, yet what i read of her interpretation of verse 3 seemed like she was referencing Adam/Eve.

You are not quite correct. While I see general pattern of the husband as the head of the wife in other passages, I believe that this passage is about one particular husband and one wife – Adam and Eve since it is about origins.

I might be reading Cheryl wrong here, but one cannot claim a husband/wife dualism and source, because the husband is not the source of his wife.

Yup you are reading me wrong about this passage. The very first man (the very first husband) was the point of origin for his wife.

Nor with what Paul details in chapter 15 about the final resurrection can i see his God/Christ reference referring to ’source’.

Not sure what you are referring to here.

In my opinion the only way ’source’ can be the intended meaning here is if we abandon that it is husband/wife dualism.

The problem you are having is that you are seeing all husbands here when the position of origins is the discussion with one husband (singular). Paul makes this clear in verse 8 that he is talking about the origin of man as Adam and the woman the came through him was Eve.

Also the way ’source’ has to be manipulated, made into synonomous meanings in order to portray ones understanding of the 3 relationships seems a bit forced in my view.

Well if we use the term “point of origin” instead of “source” would that make you happier? Not only is origins spoken of in verse 8 but the list in verse 3 is not a hierarchical list. Man, woman, Christ. That is origins not hierarchy.

From the point of origin Paul works out issues concerning “every man” and “every woman”. While much of what Paul says is about issues of shame and honor in marriage, it is clear that it was “all men” and not just the married ones who were forbidden from wearing the head covering in verse 4. However when Paul mentions “head” he is specifically referring to wives since no single woman had a human “head” to be concerned about.

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Original Article

Comp View Of 1Cor11 Mark

2009-11-10