Kay

“I am not trying to completely seperate the Trinity. But what the three persons ‘did’ at creation was not the same. Nor was their ‘role’ in salvation history the same. Hence why i believe we should not compound the members, but like you said, nor should we tear them apart. At the end of the day i am always going to throw my hands up in the air, and side with Augustine at the lack of ability in our terminology to express this biblical truth. I can only attempt to explain my view to the best of my ability.”

Mark,

To me, the problem is that it is the height of presumption for finite humans (not specifically you -any of us) to presume to be able to place ‘order’ in the Trinity (as in sub-ordination of the Son).

Why would their ‘doings’ or their ‘role’ necessitate an ordinated hierarchy?

Is it because we humans do that amongst ourselves, therefore we think it must be so in the Godhead?

I think our contemporary society’s basic understanding of the word ‘person’ is sometimes misleading in referring to the Trinity. The problem with today’s usual notion of personhood lies in its connotations of individualism, in the assumption that ultimately each person is an isolated being over against all others.

But being human, we lack the perfect ‘term’ for something so far above us – but because of that our ‘terms’ can begin to take on connotations for the Godhead that may not be so.

“That said, you have just gained about 200% more respect from me if you ride a bike?”

If it might help our discussion in any positive way, I just purchased a Honda VTX 1800c – it’s red with black flames (o.k., so I wasn’t too keen on the color scheme, but the price was right 😉 )