Mark

Cheryl, you said that false teachers were not believers and i agree, however it is not always evident to tell the difference. For example we are having a discussion over the woman issue. Now one side of the camp is in error and teaching ‘false’ doctrine about this issue, so one must be wrong and repent of their sin.

Therefore to say that comps are restricting women is as good as saying they are teaching false doctrine in my view, which i think is fine. We need to be passionate about the word, but make sure we teach it right.

I also agree that the prophetic word was judged on what came out of the mouth, not if it came true. However, i don’t see many prophets running around predicting the future. Now if i am saying that women should not be elders/pastors and i am wrong i am teaching false doctrine. Likewise if Cheryl continues to promote her view of equality and is wrong she is teaching false doctrine.These are very serious issues of which why i quoted our Lord Jesus above-

“Not everyone who ?says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will ?enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who ?does the will of my Father who is in heaven. ?On that day ?many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons ?in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I ?never knew you; ?depart from me, ?you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

It seems to me that these people had ‘fruit’ in their ministry yet it was not God’s. Therefore i think it is vital to a discussion like this to distinguish between a true gift and a false one, and definaterly not by a book which determines the gift.

Also i am a bit confused why egals think that because Jesus appeared to ‘women’ it is concrete proof that they should lead and run churches. Jesus had many women follow him but none were ever the apostles nor took on any leadership role. MAybe someone can explain the seemingly great importance of this event.