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@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So basically... what you are CURRENTLY doing is disobeying your own version of Paul's command.

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" That is, in your view... ❌Paul doesn't tell them to...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" T

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to only the men? The fact that they are to do it in ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But again, you want to use "all" to mean literally "all can learn" but want the first all in the same verse ("all can prophesy") to apply to

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals No, v35 says "if they

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals No, v35 says "if they desire to learn ANYTHING let them ask their husbands at home" The options of small group, home group or full church ar

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So the whole congregation includes the women, right? How is it that he talks about them TO them? He tells the women to silence the women? If that's the case and he includes the women in v36...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So the whole congregation includes the women, right? How is it that he talks about them TO them? He tells the women to silence the women? I

@marcelciencia @smashbaals I believe all scripture is inspired and useful for...

@marcelciencia @smashbaals I believe all scripture is inspired and useful for...every good work. I'm not picking and choosing. What on earth are you talking about?

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals BTW Ron, isn't this interesting... the text says "If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home" (1Co 14:35). So they cannot ask an elder in church as it says "at home." They are also to a...

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals BTW Ron, isn't this interesting... the text says "If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home" (1Co 14:35). So they cannot ask an elder

1Co 14:35 general

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom...you are already in trouble...because you admitted it's ok for women to ask questions in small groups. The text says explicitly: "If they [women] desire to learn anything, let them ask ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom...you are already in trouble...because you admitted it's ok for women to ask questions in small groups. The text says explicitly: "If th

1Co 14:35 general

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, Paul said in v3

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, Paul said in v31 that "all can learn" but v35 suggests that women CANNOT LEARN in the community but must learn IN PRIVATE at home with

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, you said that women could ask questions in small groups when the whole church is not gathered... but v35 says "if they want to learn" they are supposed to ask their husbands at home, no...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, you said that women could ask questions in small groups when the whole church is not gathered... but v35 says "if they want to learn" t

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3rd person plural, but the "you" in v36 is 2nd pers...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from se

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from serving as pastors. I guess your chart breaks at the first step. 🤷‍♂️

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right, you’re just no

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right, you’re just not supposed to pass him your question during church as that would not be entirely submissive. Pass him the note before y

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals That translation misses the force of Paul’s words… "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?" (1Co 14:36, KJV). The fact is that the word came out from...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals That translation misses the force of Paul’s words… "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?" (1Co 14:

1Co 14:36 question

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Not referring to Tom or Ron, but there sure have been a lot of people coming out of the woodwork and breathing fire on egalitarians. I had a guy tell me he would not block me over his dead b...

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Not referring to Tom or Ron, but there sure have been a lot of people coming out of the woodwork and breathing fire on egalitarians. I had a

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. Paul did not say “must not be a woman,” but is sayi...

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. P

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Well, no, it’

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Well, no, it’s just all these made up yard sticks that get defined by men who try their best to obey commands that the scripture isn’

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I don’t blame Ron and Tom for trying hard to find a way for the complementarian view to fit scripture. Hopefully one day they will see more clearly. Unfortunately, men don’t have a lot of mot...

@pastherandie @ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals I don’t blame Ron and Tom for trying hard to find a way for the complementarian view to fit scripture. Hopefully one day they will see more c

@pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but not in Ron or Tom’s chur

@pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes, but not in Ron or Tom’s church…

@ElonHasNoPP @kriesese @smashbaals No, that’s not true. I’m simply contending wi

@ElonHasNoPP @kriesese @smashbaals No, that’s not true. I’m simply contending with some who are misreading Paul.

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Hey, all the best with whatever restrictions you place on the women in your church. At my church, we don’t want to suppress the holy spirit’s work. We even open up the mic, show a slide outlining...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Hey, all the best with whatever restrictions you place on the women in your church. At my church, we don’t want to suppress the holy spirit’s work

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yeah…they were outside any

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yeah…they were outside any church buildings, right? 🙄

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Why define the “whole churc

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Why define the “whole church” as one congregation? Isn’t the whole church defined by all believers? Sigh….why do I see Pharisee written all over t

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something they don’t think is right. You are applying aposto...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Yes and so long as you understand my disagreement and pressing you is simply to challenge your views and not to force your church to do something t

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are never meant to share a hymn or a lesson in front of the whole group, just small groups… Must never let a woman encourage th

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking in church and they either know how to suppress th...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking

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@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So church is to be like a dictators

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So church is to be like a dictatorship (for adult females)?

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and men can all ask questions? Even in school, does asking questions in class show lack of submission? Maybe in a dictator

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you sa

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same portion of text (see 1Co 14:31 which says that al...

@LukeMasonVO @kriesese @smashbaals I’m actually asking them to people like you who should be better at reading Paul. Does Paul say non-sensical things? Does he contradict himself even in the very same

1Co 14:31 question

@kriesese @smashbaals V34-35 are Paul quoting and responding to the Corinthian l

@kriesese @smashbaals V34-35 are Paul quoting and responding to the Corinthian letter (1Co 7:1) https://t.co/WHlrSQuDIp

1Co 7:1 general

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on character and being sound in the faith. Even Moses sai...

@SKokenos @smashbaals A disciple will eventually be a discipler of others. Whether or not they become full time pastors or not is not the concern. There are no limitations except those based on chara

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands know less than them? “For you can all prophesy on...

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands

@SKokenos @smashbaals Jesus didn’t choose any Gentile apostles either. Matt 28:18-20 tells them to make disciples of all nations “teaching them to follow all that I commanded you”—so if Jesus commanded his apostles to go and preach then those whom t...

@SKokenos @smashbaals Jesus didn’t choose any Gentile apostles either. Matt 28:18-20 tells them to make disciples of all nations “teaching them to follow all that I commanded you”—so if Jesus command

Matt 28:18-20 general

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a

@smashbaals Then why do you believe that a woman is forbidden from serving as a pastor?

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@Here4Now0829 @smashbaals @bornagainbrett I see. It may be that there are no wom

@Here4Now0829 @smashbaals @bornagainbrett I see. It may be that there are no women prophets or gifted to teach in your entire church, but do they forbid women from teaching, reading scripture, prophes

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-19

@smashbaals @bornagainbrett So that’s the only reason people go to seminary, huh

@smashbaals @bornagainbrett So that’s the only reason people go to seminary, huh? They don’t just want to be better theologians and interpreters of the word? Even in your view, what about women teachi

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-09

@FreeAmongDead @smashbaals Deborah was usurping authority by telling Barak what

@FreeAmongDead @smashbaals Deborah was usurping authority by telling Barak what to do and being a faithful judge over Israel? She was never criticized in scripture and God appointed her and Barak was

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-02

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detai

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detail in the context including the grammar, the purpose of the letter, the details Paul gives in the first chapter all fit l

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-02

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals That commentary by Chrysostom shows that

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals That commentary by Chrysostom shows that he doesn’t understand Paul here at all.

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-02

@RenOfMen @JaneotN @smashbaals Really? Where is "women aren't pastors" in any cr

@RenOfMen @JaneotN @smashbaals Really? Where is "women aren't pastors" in any creed or confession?

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-15

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Two points: 1. The 70 were prior to the church. 2. In the earliest times of the church before the incorporation of Gentiles was clear, the disciples would have defaulted to what they knew previously, so the fac...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Two points: 1. The 70 were prior to the church. 2. In the earliest times of the church before the incorporation of Gentiles was clear, the disciples would have

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-15

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Not only did priests have to be men but also Jewish and of only one tribe (Levite) and they had to be without defect. Everything you are referring to is before the start of the church, before the resurrection a...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Not only did priests have to be men but also Jewish and of only one tribe (Levite) and they had to be without defect. Everything you are referring to is before

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-15

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Yes, these men are listed as origins of peoples. But they are not listed as controllers or autocrats where the buck always stops. It seems the only reason in your mind for a man being selected as the origin poi...

@Lazicus520 @VoterTrump2024 @smashbaals Yes, these men are listed as origins of peoples. But they are not listed as controllers or autocrats where the buck always stops. It seems the only reason in yo

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-03

@smashbaals This depends on whether you ignore what you believe the clear teachi

@smashbaals This depends on whether you ignore what you believe the clear teaching of scripture, or if you have studied it and found that it doesn't restrict women from leadership. https://t.co/skOVwk

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-03

@DavidMa24927513 @smashbaals 1. Why didn't Paul use the usual word for authority? Can a man authentein over anyone? 2. Don't all students learn in silence? "Let a woman..." 3. Why did Paul use the singular? 4. Who is "the woman" in v14? 5. "She (sing...

@DavidMa24927513 @smashbaals 1. Why didn't Paul use the usual word for authority? Can a man authentein over anyone? 2. Don't all students learn in silence? "Let a woman..." 3. Why did Paul use the sin

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-13

@RusskyPivo @smashbaals I’m simply quoting Abraham on this. It doesn’t mean one must be morally perfect. Not even Abraham was perfect as he told Sarah to lie and say she was his sister, and he slept with Hagar thinking that God wanted him to take a...

@RusskyPivo @smashbaals I’m simply quoting Abraham on this. It doesn’t mean one must be morally perfect. Not even Abraham was perfect as he told Sarah to lie and say she was his sister, and he slept

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-05

@worldneedsOil @smashbaals Generally speaking you are right that religions are as numerous as cultures. However, the Bible transcends all cultures. Don’t assume that America is a Christian Nation or that its political leaders or even the popular pr...

@worldneedsOil @smashbaals Generally speaking you are right that religions are as numerous as cultures. However, the Bible transcends all cultures. Don’t assume that America is a Christian Nation or

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-05

@worldneedsOil @smashbaals If you don’t base your actions on scripture, I can se

@worldneedsOil @smashbaals If you don’t base your actions on scripture, I can see why you don’t care. This was just me reflecting on something we often overlook in Genesis. I wasn’t suggesting that