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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-31

@TimothyGroves2 @RongpiSr @NoHolyScripture 1 Tim 2:11-15 refers to a specific deceived woman (like Eve was deceived) whose husband is not deceived but is silent (like Adam was). Paul doesn't name her in his letter to Timothy as she evidently had not...

@TimothyGroves2 @RongpiSr @NoHolyScripture 1 Tim 2:11-15 refers to a specific deceived woman (like Eve was deceived) whose husband is not deceived but is silent (like Adam was). Paul doesn't name her

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-31

@DST_QA @YourCalvinist I go through in detail what 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to. In short, there is a specific woman in Ephesus that is deceived (like Eve was) whose husband is not but is silent (like Adam). Paul doesn't name her because Timothy h...

@DST_QA @YourCalvinist I go through in detail what 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to. In short, there is a specific woman in Ephesus that is deceived (like Eve was) whose husband is not but is silent (li

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-29

@AdamJKrejci @Rach4Patriarchy We must go back to scripture on these things. Yes

@AdamJKrejci @Rach4Patriarchy We must go back to scripture on these things. Yes, it is possible to misinterpret it, but it seems clear to me that the ideas you are proposing come from somewhere else

@TimothyGroves2 @RongpiSr @NoHolyScripture 1 Tim 2:11-15 refers to a specific deceived woman (like Eve was deceived) whose husband is not deceived but is silent (like Adam was). Paul doesn't name her in his letter to Timothy as she evidently had not...

@DST_QA @YourCalvinist I go through in detail what 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to. In short, there is a specific woman in Ephesus that is deceived (like Eve was) whose husband is not but is silent (like Adam). Paul doesn't name her because Timothy h...

@AdamJKrejci @Rach4Patriarchy We must go back to scripture on these things. Yes

@AdamJKrejci @Rach4Patriarchy No one—not the apostle Paul, or John or Peter, not Mary…no one except Christ can claim to be without sin (whether by nature or by will). If they do, John is clear that such a person is deceived and the truth is not in ...

@AdamJKrejci @Rach4Patriarchy I’m not saying Jesus is not God. So technically the one inside Mary was God. But to frame Mary as “The Mother of God” has lead to all sorts of bad teachings…that Mary had to be immaculate or a perpetual virgin…and see ...

@ChristianJComis @PastorMark Curiously I never read any of these books but of co

@BrotherBoaz @ChristianJComis @PastorMark I said that the serpent was including both by using the plural. Then my point being that you showed where it says that Satan speaks to Eve as if to suggest that this means Adam wasn’t there even though the o...

@BrotherBoaz @ChristianJComis @PastorMark Got questions states three possible views: First view⎯Adam was there with her 1⃣"Traditional Jewish interpretation takes this phrase to mean that Adam was with Eve the whole time she was being tempted and th...

@BrotherBoaz @ChristianJComis @PastorMark Not only does the text say that Adam w

@ChristianJComis @BrotherBoaz @PastorMark Yes, those are good points Chris. I would also add that if Adam wasn't there to hear the serpent and immediately Eve is handing him the fruit, wouldn't he immediately react and take it away from her? If the...

@PastorMark Except the Bible says in 1 Tim 2 that Adam was not deceived though we know from Gen 3 that he was right beside her. Adam knew that the serpent’s words were a lie but did nothing about it. To whom much is given (ie. Adam saw God create a...

@DST_QA This is a prophecy from God spoken to Even, not Adam. If God wanted to communicate to Adam that He should rule over Eve, why didn’t He say it to Adam? And when we rule over creation, we use it for our benefit. Should the wife be used for t...

@pkh7276_pkh @MarkGrote @OperHealAmerica What does that mean “have authority over men”? You mean any man in the church, or even the pastor, can just tell you what to do? If it is due to order of creation, then the animals should rule over people as...

@DanielSmithAP2 @normal_catholic @AlexanderPayton No, I believe this is going back to Eve, and the “seed of the woman” as Paul was using the reference to Adam and Eve as a prototype of a situation with a deceived woman who is teaching and a husband w...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT You also refer to men being created first, that this is not like a grocery list (this first then that) but male PRIMACY. You referenced 1 Tim 2:13, but if you would review my post on this (below), you may understand that being cr...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Elaborating on Gen 3:16… Why did God tell Eve that her husband would rule over her rather than God saying to Adam that He gave him rule over her? God did not say to Eve that she was to be in a place of permanent subordination. Wh...

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 In Genesis 1:26-28, the rulership over creation is given to them both. “Let them rule”. “Multiply,” “subdue” and “rule” are all in the plural form. Nothing of this is stated in chapter 2. God nowhere says that Ada...

@JohnMoo26668690 @ElizabethOstli1 @WillEhrendreich Nowhere in Genesis 1-3 do we see any of the persons present acting as if they are aware of an authority hierarchy. God didn't tell Adam he had authority over Eve. Eve didn't behave like she underst...

@JohnMoo26668690 The only reason given for why Eve was deceived was because Adam was created first. By examining Genesis 2, we can understand that God was creating animals in front of Adam so Adam has experience with God that Eve as the last one cre...

@nsraban @CovenantReform2 @smashbaals Yes, Nice find. But Num 30:13 isn’t a law silencing women in the assembly but confirming whether her vow which she speaks is in force and binding. Kind of different. Gen 3:16 is a prophecy to the woman about w...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck You are right in that the husband is the kephale of his wife (since marriage always refers back to the first marriage). The problem is that you presume kephale means authority over or rule over. It means source...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck “No laws were given to Adam and Eve” - Asi

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck What, you can’t read Gen 3:16 either? Why don’t you answer my questions then? Why didn’t God tell Adam he should rule the woman? Why were his words to Eve future not present? I don’t advocate for women forcin...

@ChristChurchTe1 @uncledando @TomBuck No, but this statement is: 1. Post fall 2.

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck Men and women both form the bride of Christ. Just like Adam was the origin of Eve (she came from his flesh and bone), so also the Christ is the origin of the church (our life comes from Him). Jesus is said to r...

@AJG797 @TomBuck I understand the importance of Paul's reference to this prototypical couple in this personal letter to Timothy as he writes of a situation which is known to both himself and Timothy. Men are deceived all the time. But why was Adam ...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck I’m simply looking at the text and taking it for what it is: a prophecy from God to the woman about what will happen as a consequence of the fall. If you understand head as “source” or “origin” the church origin...

@rightresponsem @ChrisHohnholz Paul links the order of first creation with deception. Males can clearly be deceived too, so this isn't a comment about gender differences but relates to the specific creation order of Adam and Eve. Because Adam was c...

@OccamsBraiser @iheartJ37 @MikeWingerii Right, the order of creation is linked to deception. Adam wasn’t deceived because he experienced God in the act of creating (see my post on 1 Tim 2:11-15). There is no law in scripture that says that it is sh...

@AdamPage85 This is a case study of what Paul may have been addressing in 1 Cor

@HammadAcc2 @AmyMek @jihadwatchRS Some of these are quite difficult passages. Here's an explanation for 1 Tim 2:11-15 that makes sense of this passage, the grammar, the nature of the letter and its context (stopping false teaching), the back referen...

@Shshshahawn @pearlythingz You need to read this passage in context and make sen

@Snuggernaut1 @chadlyrose @sovereignbrah You need to read this passage in context and make sense of the grammar. Paul's difficult grammar is because of what he tells Timothy in the first chapter. And the reference to Adam and Eve is not about hiera...

20/23🧵In summary: no women learning the scripture? No women giving forth the wo

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii 1) Does Paul say the woman is not also the glory of God? No. 2) No, rather since Eve was made from Adam's flesh and bone Adam's transgression applies to all humanity. Adam's sin was different than Eve's; God considered i...

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii 1) Both men and women were made in God's image! The woman, however, is both the glory of man and the glory of God since she was made from the man. 2) Adam's sin is important because he sinned with knowledge (Eve was decei...

@Cityguy2011 @_nomadic_soul @DrFrankTurek Our equality is based on our humanity.

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii If you want a quick explanation of how I interpret Ge

5/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 4) 1 Timothy 2:13-14 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 5-1. In 1 Tim 2:13-14, Paul relates the problem back to Genesis where the first one created is connected to not being deceived. Adam is not connected to authority but to that of no...

@CherylSchatz Do you think that in all cases authority has to be explicitly given? We are not given the words God spoke to Eve but we can see from her testimony that God repeated the command to both of them because she says God said and uses plural ...

@Journeyman_Joe @MikeWingerii I should have been more clear. Mike said that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall. BTW, in Gen 3:16 God was speaking to Eve, not Adam. God was prophesying how their relationship would be affected. Where did G...

@MikeWingerii MikeW (Calvary Chapel)⎯where in the Bible do we find that God gives Adam authority over Eve? According to John the Baptist, "A person can receive only what is given them from heaven." (John 3:27) Where did God give Adam authority over...

I’m working on a response to Mike Winger’s teaching that Adam’s naming something

@DeannaR00467515 @AnnaGraceWood Paul says in 1 Tim 2 that the creation order was the reason for either being deceived or not deceived. The reason is clear in a careful reading of Gen 2: God created in front of Adam, so he was aware of the origin of ...

@MikeWingerii @graceforprize @RickWarren You hold to the view that 'the childbea

@chimpchompchamp @MikeWingerii @kitchenSvenk30 But these passages are highly debated for good reasons. There is no statement "an elder must not be a woman." The grammar and wording and back ref to Adam and Eve, etc. and context are not properly tak...

@m_a_nilles @southernpresby @5pointsMckinley @AnnaGraceWood Adam and Eve were of

@m_a_nilles @southernpresby @5pointsMckinley @AnnaGraceWood Someone had to come from the other one. Adam was the source of Eve, not her authority. Nowhere is he told to rule over her, except a prophesy after the fall which you seem to agree is the ...

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer Adam and Eve are a prototype of this

@DanielFarey @MattSwiftyPerry 2/ In this case, there was an ignorant woman teaching 'a woman' whose husband, just like Adam, knew better but was silent. The example of Adam and Eve illustrates how because of Adam's first creation, he had experience ...

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