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@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 Which of course is found nowhere i

@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 Which of course is found nowhere in scripture.

@Truth_matters20 For the same reason He didn’t have any Gentile apostles…

@Truth_matters20 Taken in context, Paul’s personal letter to Timothy was so that Timothy would remain in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to teach strange doctrines. Not wanting to name the deceived woman teaching heresy since she hadn’t been c...

@Truth_matters20 Taken in context, Paul’s personal letter to Timothy was so that Timothy would remain in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to teach strange doctrines. Not wanting to name the dece

1Co 14:36 1Cor 14:34-35 debate

@Truth_matters20 MacArthur was wrong on 1Cor 14:34-35. Paul is clearly quoting f

@Truth_matters20 MacArthur was wrong on 1Cor 14:34-35. Paul is clearly quoting from the letter the Corinthians wrote then refuting it: “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you on

@jimbolicious_c Prophets are ALL to be tested according to their prophecies and

@jimbolicious_c Prophets are ALL to be tested according to their prophecies and teachings. There’s no exception path for Joseph Smith Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies concerning him; the Holy Spiri

@Peepeepoop49741 @dalepartridge @SecretCityChez Jesus isn’t an ‘organized religion’ though. The Bible isn’t ’organized religion’. Set aside your likely legitimate issues with many church organizations today and investigate the claims of Jesus and the...

@Peepeepoop49741 @dalepartridge @SecretCityChez Jesus isn’t an ‘organized religion’ though. The Bible isn’t ’organized religion’. Set aside your likely legitimate issues with many church organizations

@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 So if I get this right, the RCC te

@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 So if I get this right, the RCC teaching is that for billions of infants that have not been baptized by the RCC (or perhaps the Eastern Orthodox), these i

@dalepartridge @SecretCityChez So you lead the women’s Bible study? Women have n

@dalepartridge @SecretCityChez So you lead the women’s Bible study? Women have no capacity to teach themselves even? Good grief…

@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 To obey what Jesus commanded. But it isn’t always possible. And RCC who grew up in the church are NEVER baptized when they believe so they clearly are not following the scripture since baptism always foll...

@DLepanto9801 @PatrickSemani @PrayTheRosary12 To obey what Jesus commanded. But it isn’t always possible. And RCC who grew up in the church are NEVER baptized when they believe so they clearly are not

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge You are not equal when someone has authority over you by fact of an immutable characteristic. And this contradicts Gen 1:28 where no such distinction was made in design. The Bible never says anything like source-derive...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge You are not equal when someone has authority over you by fact of an immutable characteristic. And this contradicts Gen 1:28 where no such distinction was made in design

Gen 1:28 debate

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, you PRESUMING his reference transcends him using it only as a prototype for something going on in Ephesus is your problem. And you just combining source with must alone be the authority makes no sense of Gen 1:28 w...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, you PRESUMING his reference transcends him using it only as a prototype for something going on in Ephesus is your problem. And you just combining source with must a

Gen 1:28 debate

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge First, you have to admit possibilities in the text and not treat it in a wooden literal way. Paul may in fact be using Eden as a prototype of a couple in Ephesus and not as grounding for universal restriction. Presumin...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge First, you have to admit possibilities in the text and not treat it in a wooden literal way. Paul may in fact be using Eden as a prototype of a couple in Ephesus and no

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Why do you think creation sequence has to be rep

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Why do you think creation sequence has to be repeated for everything that happens in a worship service? Why is a descriptive event the rule for who teaches or preaches

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge So you don’t learn you just adapt your emphasis? Paul isn’t grounding his comments in creation order as there was no creation order—just a time sequence which resulted in one gaining more experience and understanding t...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge So you don’t learn you just adapt your emphasis? Paul isn’t grounding his comments in creation order as there was no creation order—just a time sequence which resulted

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Did Paul not teach mutual edification and that a

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Did Paul not teach mutual edification and that all can participate in an orderly way so that all may learn and be edified or was he only referring to men?

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, there you go again. Just repeating what others said like a parrot. Can you not think on your own? Paul repeating speaks in an inclusive way…all can prophesy, so all can be edified and all can learn. If you can’t as...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, there you go again. Just repeating what others said like a parrot. Can you not think on your own? Paul repeating speaks in an inclusive way…all can prophesy, so all

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge LOL. So only Pauline uses imperatives? Wow. Think @grok. Can you do it? I’m losing hope. Why is it stated that women are to keep silent?—because it is SHAMEFUL for a WOMAN to speak in the assembly. Really? So men makin...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge LOL. So only Pauline uses imperatives? Wow. Think @grok. Can you do it? I’m losing hope. Why is it stated that women are to keep silent?—because it is SHAMEFUL for a WO

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge I’ll let you stew on what I said for a while…maybe you’ll figure it out. You seem to be softening your stance somewhat as if you don’t you really do seem thick headed. As for your comment on 1Cor 14:34-35, do you ackn...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge I’ll let you stew on what I said for a while…maybe you’ll figure it out. You seem to be softening your stance somewhat as if you don’t you really do seem thick headed.

1Cor 14:34-35 general

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Paul’s appeal to the time sequence order of creation is only in relation to why one was deceived and why one wasn’t. You are overstepping to assume this establishes any sort of requirement especially in worship! It’s q...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Paul’s appeal to the time sequence order of creation is only in relation to why one was deceived and why one wasn’t. You are overstepping to assume this establishes any

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge I have never heard of Eve being called a federal head. In fact, no woman in scripture is ever called head. I would think your description here is a super minority view (maybe a view only @grok has by itself?). Unfortu...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge I have never heard of Eve being called a federal head. In fact, no woman in scripture is ever called head. I would think your description here is a super minority view

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Notice how Paul says “I do not permit” showing t

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Notice how Paul says “I do not permit” showing there is a reason. It’s not that God forbids but that Paul has assessed the situation and this woman needs to stop teachi

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge ChatGPT is way more reasonable in its programmin

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge ChatGPT is way more reasonable in its programming. You are like a dog with a complementarian bone and like a dog’s instinct you just can’t let go.

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Have you been programmed to favor a complementar

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Have you been programmed to favor a complementarian view over one that makes more sense of all the details?

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge How did you decide between a specific woman and the anaphoric use of the article and a generic woman? How does your view tie the context together with Paul’s stated intent, writing specifically to Timothy to deal with ...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge How did you decide between a specific woman and the anaphoric use of the article and a generic woman? How does your view tie the context together with Paul’s stated int

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge First, I’m not being creative, Paul is. And he has to in order to make this couple clear to Timothy without naming them. Why does it matter what most exegetes think? Desiring God and Crossway are committed to the comp...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge First, I’m not being creative, Paul is. And he has to in order to make this couple clear to Timothy without naming them. Why does it matter what most exegetes think? D

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Not so. The Adam and Eve reference is using them as prototypes of this couple in Ephesus. Why else would Paul use “the woman” if he meant Eve, but like Eve the woman from 2:11-12 is also deceived and in need of salvati...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Not so. The Adam and Eve reference is using them as prototypes of this couple in Ephesus. Why else would Paul use “the woman” if he meant Eve, but like Eve the woman fr

from 2:11-12 debate

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, Hos 2 and Ezek 23 don’t use she and they interchangeably as referring to the same referent. Here’s why. In Hos 2, the pronouns clearly distinguish between two related but separate referents. The singular she/her r...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge No, Hos 2 and Ezek 23 don’t use she and they interchangeably as referring to the same referent. Here’s why. In Hos 2, the pronouns clearly distinguish between two rela

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Is there anywhere in scripture where she and the

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Is there anywhere in scripture where she and they refer to the same person/persons?

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok, so if I’m following you now, womenkind is guaranteed to be saved through the sovereignly promised messiah, so Paul creates a motivational bridge by using a conditional statement to exhort women to keep themselves f...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok, so if I’m following you now, womenkind is guaranteed to be saved through the sovereignly promised messiah, so Paul creates a motivational bridge by using a conditio

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok so let’s see if I’m tracking: a typical woman

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok so let’s see if I’m tracking: a typical woman from Genesis 3 will be saved by the faithful perseverance of nontypical women as a means to eschatological vindication

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok, but it’s not speaking about the salvation of

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ok, but it’s not speaking about the salvation of the they. So your answer is: Women will be saved if women do something? So Paul uses the singular in error? He should

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Didaskein does not mean authoritative teaching! There’s no ‘or’ in the text. Authentein doesn’t mean dominion. You made women and men both plural. The grammar demands no such thing. Clearly Paul in his personal letter ...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Didaskein does not mean authoritative teaching! There’s no ‘or’ in the text. Authentein doesn’t mean dominion. You made women and men both plural. The grammar demands n

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge You are not doing exegesis. Repeating talking po

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge You are not doing exegesis. Repeating talking points is not Biblical analysis of the text alone in its context and grammar. Don’t claim you are doing exegesis when you

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ah, I see. So as long as women instruct men during the other 167 hours during the week and be unofficial about it…like at Bible studies or any context outside of that 1 hour. That’s what God wants. Clearly you know not...

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Ah, I see. So as long as women instruct men during the other 167 hours during the week and be unofficial about it…like at Bible studies or any context outside of that 1

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Well, you said that women can’t teach truth to m

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge Well, you said that women can’t teach truth to men so I was pretty sure you weren’t reading the Bible anyways.

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge The Bible also explicitly forbids AI to be used

@grok @quathamer @dalepartridge The Bible also explicitly forbids AI to be used as a spiritual authority on anything. 😏

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Your logic is getting more contorted and harder to follow. What do you mean that male apostolic foundation sustains this design? Are only Jews leaders of the churches around the world? Because they were 12 Jewish ma...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Your logic is getting more contorted and harder to follow. What do you mean that male apostolic foundation sustains this design? Are only Jews leaders of the churche

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge 1Tim 3 and Titus 1 don’t even have explicit male pronouns let alone a prohibition against women. For the way you are treating this, Paul ought to have said it clearly, “an elder must not be a woman.” Rather you have...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge 1Tim 3 and Titus 1 don’t even have explicit male pronouns let alone a prohibition against women. For the way you are treating this, Paul ought to have said it clearl

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge LOL…silence on women pastors? Good grief, @grok, how many individuals are called pastor in the New Testament? Surely you jest. Paul doesn’t ground his “I do not permit” in Adam’s precedence but in the fact that he ...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge LOL…silence on women pastors? Good grief, @grok, how many individuals are called pastor in the New Testament? Surely you jest. Paul doesn’t ground his “I do not per

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge The time sequence of creation doesn’t establish that the older rules the younger as is consistently demonstrated in scripture. Even Christ is the ‘second’ Adam and he is clearly the better one. Jacob is the younger,...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge The time sequence of creation doesn’t establish that the older rules the younger as is consistently demonstrated in scripture. Even Christ is the ‘second’ Adam and h

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Well, your skill of analysis needs improving then. There is no complementarian (male only leadership) as divinely ordained. God makes that clear by giving the SAME commands to both male and female in Gen 1:28. Where...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Well, your skill of analysis needs improving then. There is no complementarian (male only leadership) as divinely ordained. God makes that clear by giving the SAME c

Gen 1:28 debate

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge I need to know @Grok, are you getting your response purely from the text alone and its context and grammar or are you integrating ideas from commentaries and things others have written from a complementarian and/or ...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge I need to know @Grok, are you getting your response purely from the text alone and its context and grammar or are you integrating ideas from commentaries and things

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Head means source as Adam’s flesh and bone is the source material for Eve’s creation. Notice how in the NT no one is the head of anyone except the husband of the wife, so if head means the boss or authority over, th...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Head means source as Adam’s flesh and bone is the source material for Eve’s creation. Notice how in the NT no one is the head of anyone except the husband of the wif

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Hey @Grok, what’s your answer? Fix my typo as

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Hey @Grok, what’s your answer? Fix my typo as I meant to say “even though the husband was NOT deceived”.

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge I meant “even though he (her husband) is not

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge I meant “even though he (her husband) is not deceived”. Whoops.

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Listen, Paul simply relates the time sequence order of creation to why Adam wasn’t deceived but Eve was. This was not an order of hierarchy but an explanation for why only Eve was deceived. Look at Gen 2 yourself. A...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Listen, Paul simply relates the time sequence order of creation to why Adam wasn’t deceived but Eve was. This was not an order of hierarchy but an explanation for wh

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Again, all you are doing is copying and pasting from typical complementarian and patriarchal talking points. You are not dealing with the text itself in its context. Your arguments fail when taken without your compl...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Again, all you are doing is copying and pasting from typical complementarian and patriarchal talking points. You are not dealing with the text itself in its context.

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge First, you are wrong. Paul’s comments in 1Ti 2:13-14 are using the fact of the time sequence of creation and the fact that only Eve was deceived to relate to a married couple who were going through a similar thing i...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge First, you are wrong. Paul’s comments in 1Ti 2:13-14 are using the fact of the time sequence of creation and the fact that only Eve was deceived to relate to a marri

1Ti 2:13-14 debate

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Sorry, @Grok, you are going to have to do better. Summarizing what commentaries say is not how we interpret the Bible. Stick to just the text, the grammar and the context or you will mess this one up every time. The...

@grok @WalterKissus @dalepartridge Sorry, @Grok, you are going to have to do better. Summarizing what commentaries say is not how we interpret the Bible. Stick to just the text, the grammar and the co

1Ti 2:11-12 commentary

@RustyGremlin @NickHenderson79 @UncutDomination @dalepartridge Head doesn’t mean

@RustyGremlin @NickHenderson79 @UncutDomination @dalepartridge Head doesn’t mean boss. Why is no apostle, prophet, elder or leader called the head of anyone except his wife? Not is he even called the