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@plumlee_ann @avyargo @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your definition of leading

@plumlee_ann @avyargo @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what your definition of leading is, but leading is simply doing things ahead of others, showing by example. This is not about authority.

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii The Bible doesn't tell anyone to "hold authority." Women are certainly told to teach and shown to teach others. No one is called pastor in the New Testament except Jesus Himself. Anyone who forbids women from full...

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii The Bible doesn't tell anyone to "hold authority." Women are certainly told to teach and shown to teach others. No one is called pastor in the New Testament except

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii No are presuming the majority view. Many of

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii No are presuming the majority view. Many of the church fathers had the wrong view on this. If you are a protestant, you wouldn't necessarily object to that idea.

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii I've watched Mike's 43 hours of videos. 1Ti 2:12 is not an imperative, is in the context of stopping false teaching (not stopping anyone from teaching the truth), and has a word that is only used once in scripture...

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii I've watched Mike's 43 hours of videos. 1Ti 2:12 is not an imperative, is in the context of stopping false teaching (not stopping anyone from teaching the truth),

1Ti 2:12 commentary

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii I'm so happy to hear this! Thanks for your challenges. Keep studying the scriptures and thinking about these things. We can certainly learn and be stretched throu...

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii I'm so happy to hear this! Thanks for your challenges. Keep studying the scriptures and thinking about these thi

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeW

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii It's important not that you agree but that you can see that many egalitarians have strong and substantiated bibl

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii That is fine. You are ok with the complementarian view. Many are not, and since it is secondary, we should disagree amicably and peaceably on this issue⎯even if i...

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii That is fine. You are ok with the complementarian view. Many are not, and since it is secondary, we should disag

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii Thanks for recognizing this and to reframing

@avyargo @plumlee_ann @MikeWingerii Thanks for recognizing this and to reframing it as one issue. Now then, where is there a command (an imperative) saying that godly and gifted women cannot preach o

@carol66944 @JeremyMBauman @ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii Carolyn, can you help me

@carol66944 @JeremyMBauman @ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii Carolyn, can you help me understand where in the Bible this term "child-bearing in the faith" is discussed or mentioned? Also, is your view comi

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is establishing order. The way church is done today is nothing like what Paul describes in 1Ti 3. Today it is all about position and authority; ...

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is establishing order. The way church is done today is nothing like what Paul describes in 1Ti

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is clearly writing to Timothy to show him how he should act to deal with the false teaching. This is primarily a letter addressed to Timothy expressly t...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul is clearly writing to Timothy to show him how *he* should act to deal with the false teaching. This is p

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul gives the proper order for dealing with false doctrine. A properly functioning leadership will curb false teaching by gently dealing with it. As...

@jhkrantz @pastherandie @ronhenzel @Christ_like_ish @JollyStine @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii Paul gives the proper order for dealing with false doctrine. A properly functioning leadership will

1Ti 3:15 general

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeW

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Where does the Bible say such things like what you said below? It says rather that it’s Adam’s sin that is the r

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Mike Winger spoke about the impact of the exclusion of women. When there is a general treatment of them as servants and administrators only, and when they are not...

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Mike Winger spoke about the impact of the exclusion of women. When there is a general treatment of them as serva

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeW

@peace_got @ScottCross_8 @pastherandie @5pur5y @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii I’ve seen many men also in that movement who go beyond scripture making decrees and all sorts of things. It’s no

@John_T_Caldwell @zacharydparks @ReformedCaio @MikeWingerii You might have misse

@John_T_Caldwell @zacharydparks @ReformedCaio @MikeWingerii You might have missed what I saw as someone who is an egalitarian.

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii So men are never usurping authority? Also where is this idea of a place of authority in the church even established that merely standing in it usurps it? All of this seems to be based on a conjectural int...

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii So men are never usurping authority? Also where is this idea of a place of authority in the church even established that merely standing in it usurps it?

@godswordisasto1 @MikeWingerii Interesting reaction. He didn’t go to seminary.

@godswordisasto1 @MikeWingerii Interesting reaction. He didn’t go to seminary. He took Calvary Chapel’s school of ministry.

@covjack @ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWinger

@covjack @ronhenzel @JollyStine @pastherandie @peace_got @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii If all scripture is God breathed then this is not an option. Paul was called and taught by Jesus Himself and wrote al

@JeremyMBauman @ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii To be honest, I don’t understand why more egalitarians don’t see this as putting all the pieces together. But I have to go with what makes the most sense of scripture. You are right that sometimes it can se...

@JeremyMBauman @ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii To be honest, I don’t understand why more egalitarians don’t see this as putting all the pieces together. But I have to go with what makes the most sense of

@avyargo @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii 😂 Hey, at least you gave me a 100%. Thanks

@avyargo @CherylSchatz @MikeWingerii 😂 Hey, at least you gave me a 100%. Thanks for the complement. Here’s some reading material on the Bible side. https://t.co/a36YWtiaIj

@onegospel2021 @JollyStine @MikeWingerii Not one male is called a pastor either.

@onegospel2021 @JollyStine @MikeWingerii Not one male is called a pastor either. 🤷‍♂️

@BarnabasBr30151 @EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Paul doesn’t need

@BarnabasBr30151 @EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Paul doesn’t need to be called an elder/overseer to evidently be one. It is more than evident by his actions and oversight of many church

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @peace_got @JosiahHawthorne @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii The

@ronhenzel @JollyStine @peace_got @JosiahHawthorne @ymmotrojam @MikeWingerii There’s only two identified as elders and it’s Peter and John. The rest of the references we can’t be certain they are all

@avyargo @MikeWingerii No, any s3xual relationship outside of one man and one wo

@avyargo @MikeWingerii No, any s3xual relationship outside of one man and one woman vowing for life is sin. A godly woman being a pastor is not a sin just because she’s a woman.

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii Oh wow…it takes strong women to get men to not allow women? That’s ironic. Remind me again…where is this command in the Bible? 1Ti 2:12 is not a command (not in the imperative). And a command that include...

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii Oh wow…it takes strong women to get men to not allow women? That’s ironic. Remind me again…where is this command in the Bible? 1Ti 2:12 is not a command (

1Ti 2:12 question

@carol66944 Interesting. I still think that Paul’s reference to “the childbearing” as a definite noun is a pointer back to the seed of the woman since Eve was mentioned in the context. But look at this passage: “Now you are the body of Christ, and ...

@carol66944 Interesting. I still think that Paul’s reference to “the childbearing” as a definite noun is a pointer back to the seed of the woman since Eve was mentioned in the context. But look at th

@JeremyMBauman @RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Paul is speaking to all b

@JeremyMBauman @RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Paul is speaking to all believers. What evidence is there he is speaking only to males? The term for “you” in Greek (ὑμεῖς, humeis) in this pass

@ronhenzel @John_T_Caldwell @MikeWingerii I appreciate that Ron. All the best to you as you keep doing what you feel is right. That said, egalitarians are not sinning by allowing and encouraging godly and gifted women to minister by teaching truth a...

@ronhenzel @John_T_Caldwell @MikeWingerii I appreciate that Ron. All the best to you as you keep doing what you feel is right. That said, egalitarians are not sinning by allowing and encouraging godl

@John_T_Caldwell @MikeWingerii No to all those things you listed. What? A conser

@John_T_Caldwell @MikeWingerii No to all those things you listed. What? A conservative AND egalitarian?! Yes. It’s possible.

@onegospel2021 @MikeWingerii Yes, anything defying the Lord is a sin. But a godly woman gifted by God to pastor and who preaches the truth is not violating or ignoring any commandment. There is no such commandment. There is no imperative. It’s not l...

@onegospel2021 @MikeWingerii Yes, anything defying the Lord is a sin. But a godly woman gifted by God to pastor and who preaches the truth is not violating or ignoring any commandment. There is no su

@avyargo @MikeWingerii This isn’t the same as Uzziah as there were explicit inst

@avyargo @MikeWingerii This isn’t the same as Uzziah as there were explicit instructions David disregarded. Show me the commandment prohibiting women from serving as elders or from preaching? Where’s

@avyargo @MikeWingerii It’s not about not liking it. You are misreading these passages thinking they prohibit godly women who are gifted by God from fulfilling His calling for them. To restrict them is quenching the Holy Spirit. God does not implemen...

@avyargo @MikeWingerii It’s not about not liking it. You are misreading these passages thinking they prohibit godly women who are gifted by God from fulfilling His calling for them. To restrict them i

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii Wow. That’s pretty strong. So a go

@mythreesonsb @EtAbundatGratia @MikeWingerii Wow. That’s pretty strong. So a godly woman preaching truth is sinning. That’s a first I read that anywhere in the Bible…

@Dylan04169480 @MikeWingerii No, Mike seems to not want to engage knowledgeable egalitarians on this issue. Several scholars have reached out to him and he has declined to discuss or respond to their material. The work by Terran Williams and Andrew ...

@Dylan04169480 @MikeWingerii No, Mike seems to not want to engage knowledgeable egalitarians on this issue. Several scholars have reached out to him and he has declined to discuss or respond to their

@peace_got @iheartJ37 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii But the priesthood is not the highest authority in the theocracy. It was leaders like Moses. Deborah was like the Moses of her time...

@peace_got @iheartJ37 @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii But the priesthood is not the highest authority in the theocracy. It was leaders

@avyargo @MikeWingerii No. In fact my church just left the RCA because of this i

@avyargo @MikeWingerii No. In fact my church just left the RCA because of this issue in the denomination. They spent 5 long years appealing and hoping for change and finally had to leave.

@iheartJ37 @peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Church discipline in Mat 18:15-20 doesn’t even mention the elders. Of course the elders would make good witnesses, but the church i...

@iheartJ37 @peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Church discipline in Mat 18:15-20 doesn’t even mention the elders. Of course the

Mat 18:15-20 debate

@ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii That’s correct. He only says Paul prohibits women from being elders or acting/speaking in such a way that they would be confused as elders. But that’s not what Paul is prohibiting. Paul’s personal letter to Timothy is to ...

@ChrisAndJones @MikeWingerii That’s correct. He only says Paul prohibits women from being elders or acting/speaking in such a way that they would be confused as elders. But that’s not what Paul is pro

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii I think in this case the ignorant one was the woman and the non-ignorant ones were two men. Because its a personal letter to Timothy and they spent significant time together, how Paul wrote it for Timothy ...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii I think in this case the ignorant one was the woman and the non-ignorant ones were two men. Because its a personal letter to Timothy and they spent signifi

@Calvinator8000 @MikeWingerii Hi Calvinator 8000 😂⎯ you must be a Calvinist. Tolerating differences in secondary issues is not tolerating false teachers. False teachers are those who have strayed from the fundamentals. We all believe things that are...

@Calvinator8000 @MikeWingerii Hi Calvinator 8000 😂⎯ you must be a Calvinist. Tolerating differences in secondary issues is not tolerating false teachers. False teachers are those who have strayed fro

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Whoops... haha. Sorry, read too fast. 1Ti 2:12 doesn't say "must not be a woman" but "I do not permit a woman to teach or authentein a man." Paul doesn't mean a woman cannot teach truth to a man as a Bere...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Whoops... haha. Sorry, read too fast. 1Ti 2:12 doesn't say "must not be a woman" but "I do not permit a woman to teach or authentein a man." Paul doesn't

1Ti 2:12 debate

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Yes, that too. But he is referring

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii Yes, that too. But he is referring to certain ones who have strayed as this is why he left him behind in Ephesus⎯to deal with the false teachers.

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii The context to chapter 2 starts in the first chapter. Paul wrote this personal letter to Timothy for a reason, and it was to stop "certain people" from teaching strange doctrines, not to stop anyone from t...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii The context to chapter 2 starts in the first chapter. Paul wrote this personal letter to Timothy for a reason, and it was to stop "certain people" from tea

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@RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Just read the article. There's no authority to appeal to. But Mike won't listen to a nobody like me. He seems to only want to consider those who are published. Well, here's two published authors who carefully a...

@RBM7211 @MikeWingerii @TerranWilliams4 Just read the article. There's no authority to appeal to. But Mike won't listen to a nobody like me. He seems to only want to consider those who are published.

@peace_got @MikeWingerii Yes. And he encourages people to think carefully and to

@peace_got @MikeWingerii Yes. And he encourages people to think carefully and to fact check and look things up in context. He's done a lot of good for the church.

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@peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewo

@peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii No, because anyone who read that into what he said would not be representing Paul's intent a

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii ...which immediately follows Paul's clear intent on why he wrote this personal letter to Timothy: “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct ce...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii ...which immediately follows Paul's clear intent on why he wrote this personal letter to Timothy: “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to

@peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewo

@peace_got @JollyStine @pastherandie @Robert_S_Morley @MargMowczko @CharmyRosewolf @JoanBandy @MikeWingerii Do you really think anyone here is saying that Paul is a liar? After all of what we've been

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii You sounded like you know where wom

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii You sounded like you know where women are prohibited from being elders. I'm confused... Ok, here's how I parse it. https://t.co/QkexDUhLnJ