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Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should

Mike's advice for those who don’t want to have female deacons? Then they should reserve the title only for positions you believe woman cannot have. /54

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His rea

Mike says women can be deacons (and notes he has had pushback on this). His reasons are because: 1. Pheobe was one 2. 1Ti 3:11 "Wives" a. No qual for elder's wives in first part of 1Ti 3 b. Many

1Ti 3:11 general

I think scripturally a deacon should be reserved for leaders, not just volunteer

I think scripturally a deacon should be reserved for leaders, not just volunteers. Otherwise, I'd be inclined to agree with Mike on this point as it does confuse people to think that pastor is above a

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "e

Mike thinks that "pastor" should be removed from use and there should only be "elders" and "deacons" so there is a 1-to-1 mapping with scripture. Mike suggests that everyone serving in some capacity c

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God orda

It seems like he wouldn't celebrate Deborah, even though she occupied a God ordained role for her whole life with no criticism. Seems Mike goes on his feelings here, because “president” is not on the

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems

Mike says that he is trying to be consistent with the fact that the bible seems to show that women can be in the highest position of authority, but rarely and not ideally (in his opinion). Mike seems

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wa

Then Mike hedges by saying there may be circumstances that prevent this so he wasn’t making a hard and fast rule, just that the Bible tells women to take care of the home (says Mike). Interesting tha

Mike says that men submitting to female bosses is a good thing (from comments on

Mike says that men submitting to female bosses is a good thing (from comments on Prov 31) because the ideal woman is clearly managing male and female servants. [1:54:00] /44

So although Mike agrees that a woman can lead and correct a king and judge matte

So although Mike agrees that a woman can lead and correct a king and judge matters of doctrine and settle disputes over anyone in Israel, somehow that still makes her less of an authority than a husba

Mike reasons that women can be in positions of authority because those positions

Mike reasons that women can be in positions of authority because those positions are not as important as marriage or church. [1:52:00] So Mike makes distinctions based on how he values positions in s

Why does Mike think that women could correct when there was false teaching, but

Why does Mike think that women could correct when there was false teaching, but not teach men in the context of laying down a foundation of the truth? /41

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no

Priscilla was never criticized for teaching and correcting Apollos. In fact, no woman was ever corrected for teaching and correcting. Surely with all of Paul’s female helpers there were some others wh

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never

Mike's comments on Deborah seem very pro egalitarian. He says that she was never criticized or said to be in sin for her position. This is really noteworthy! So if we take Mike’s comments about Debo

So why then is he so hard on egalitarians after in the opening saying that this

So why then is he so hard on egalitarians after in the opening saying that this is fully a secondary matter and that egalitarians are Christian brothers and sisters who he has full fellowship with (ie

Yes, just like any other comp and patriarchalist, they all come out slightly dif

Yes, just like any other comp and patriarchalist, they all come out slightly diff't in their views and occupy points on a spectrum. Mike says later that comps should have grace with one another allowi

Mike doesn’t want to call himself a soft comp any more, just “comp leaning to th

Mike doesn’t want to call himself a soft comp any more, just “comp leaning to the soft side"⎯ he wants to differentiate from those who think it’s only about the home and the role of elders and not als

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:0

Mike talks about Abigail being in the right to subvert Nabal’s authority [1:42:00] So Mike doesn't see it as unquestioning authority which is good. However, women will think 2x or 3x before they do t

I think Mike sees himself as a one man council, like the council of Nicea, comin

I think Mike sees himself as a one man council, like the council of Nicea, coming up with a new statement on how men and women should relate in order to fulfill the complementarian view of scripture.

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female su

Mike presents his summary as “3 pillars”: Pillar 1⃣: Male headship and female submission in marriage. Pillar 2⃣: Elders’ positions and functions are for men only. Pillar 3⃣: women’s status as image be

However, vessel applies to our human body, not to things like authority. Is he m

However, vessel applies to our human body, not to things like authority. Is he making this up as he goes along? /30

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater auth

Mike offers a correction to those who would take advantage of their greater authority: “You should not think of this as a way to degrade women and think of them as less, but to treat them with underst

Mike talks about 1Pe 3:7, how women are the "weaker vessel" and how they are mor

Mike talks about 1Pe 3:7, how women are the "weaker vessel" and how they are more delicate (he says his wife’s hands are small "like a child’s"). Mike goes on to say, “But also weaker in that they hav

1Pe 3:7 debate

Mike says that women will inherit the authority of sons and will be full heirs.

Mike says that women will inherit the authority of sons and will be full heirs. [1:22:35] I recall him saying elsewhere that he thinks that the roles we are playing here on earth are temporary, and t

“Fast-forward to the future age, and we are all ruling and reigning with Christ,

“Fast-forward to the future age, and we are all ruling and reigning with Christ,” Mike says. So at least he acknowledges that there will be no difference in the next age and that both men and women wi

Yet it seems he still reserves the right to force his will because otherwise his

Yet it seems he still reserves the right to force his will because otherwise his authority is meaningless or token only. So Mike's only objection would have to be that forcing sex is not loving her a

This is quite an admission! This then means that a comp can be fully equivalent

This is quite an admission! This then means that a comp can be fully equivalent in practice to an egalitarian simply by the husband deciding not to force his will and way. In this way, he can be comp

commentary

Mike says to get agree't on sex, he can't force his will and his way. Mike says

Mike says to get agree't on sex, he can't force his will and his way. Mike says to husbands, “There’s prob a lot of areas like that…Just because I’m the head doesn’t mean I’m going to force my will, I

Mike mentions the wife has authority over the husband’s body [1:16:35]. Well no

Mike mentions the wife has authority over the husband’s body [1:16:35]. Well now, who is the tiebreaker when there’s a stalemate on sex? 😂 I guess you don’t always need a tie breaker, eh Mike? /21

Mike says he sees husbands having the “final call” not the “only call” in the ho

Mike says he sees husbands having the “final call” not the “only call” in the home. Mike says some claim that the husband as tiebreaker doesn’t work or doesn’t happen in real life. [1:14:40] /19

Mike's complaint is against those who believe that women share equal authority w

Mike's complaint is against those who believe that women share equal authority with men because being a man means to him that you are supposed to have higher authority than women, and unless you occup

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women

Mike quotes 1Ti 5:14 which uses the word translated "manage" and says that women are called “despots” who also manage the home. Mike uses this to show that he believes women also have some authority.

1Ti 5:14 debate

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from t

So you’d think this alone would mean that women would be allowed to teach from the pulpit or pastor as long as they are under a male head, but I don’t believe he thinks that as to Mike, it is about be

Mike says that wives have authority over the children. He critiques those who tr

Mike says that wives have authority over the children. He critiques those who treat wives as having no authority and those who claim that complementarians believe that wives have no authority. (They a

However, laying down one's life is actually laying down your own needs and desir

However, laying down one's life is actually laying down your own needs and desires in order to come under and lift up another to satisfy their needs and/or desires. Perhaps he was just saying that re

Mike says that he has never seen an egalitarian critique a "real" complementaria

Mike says that he has never seen an egalitarian critique a "real" complementarian marriage, and by this he means where the husband lays down his life for the wife. Mike says he means taking a bullet f

Mike says that driving a car is an "authority" that we have. He says this in res

Mike says that driving a car is an "authority" that we have. He says this in response to Patriarchalists, including Muslims who don’t let their women drive. [1:06:58] How is this an authority? It see

Mike conflates father with head (ie. the authority) and mother as the one who su

Mike conflates father with head (ie. the authority) and mother as the one who submits him. So to Mike, to be a father is to be the authority. This is why he says a woman cannot be the authority. [1:05

Mike talks about how if one doesn't follow his reasoning then you can become lik

Mike talks about how if one doesn't follow his reasoning then you can become like Pharisees. Says he’s not going too far cause he is in the middle of egalitarian on the left and patriarchy on the righ

Mike addresses “husband of one wife” and how women can be deacons and it not app

Mike addresses “husband of one wife” and how women can be deacons and it not apply to them. His answer?⎯ because it can only apply to men. Yup. He uses a translation that treats the reference to wome

Mike mocks the egalitarian argument that 'kephale' means source. [45:20] In epi

Mike mocks the egalitarian argument that 'kephale' means source. [45:20] In episode 8, Mike quotes from Wayne Grudem then says, "Egalitarians...you failed!" Does this sound like an unbiased response?

commentary

Mike responds to those accusing him of bias with "I had to follow scripture." Ri

Mike responds to those accusing him of bias with "I had to follow scripture." Right, but I thought that this is what the discussion was about. [33:20] /5

Mike clarifies that this is a secondary issue for him, that egalitarians are in

Mike clarifies that this is a secondary issue for him, that egalitarians are in full fellowship with him and that we shouldn't divide over this. 👏🫶[28:15] /4 https://t.co/A9UIBNONCF

Mike claims complementarianism as distinctively 'Christian'. Interesting, given

Mike claims complementarianism as distinctively 'Christian'. Interesting, given it's a term defined by Christians themselves. [14:30] /3

Mike shows a spectrum at [13:50] with Egalitarian on the far left instead of the middle. This suggests that Mike's view is the middle view and Egalitarian is extreme left. However, Egalitarian is the mid point between extreme feminist and hyper head...

Mike shows a spectrum at [13:50] with Egalitarian on the far left instead of the middle. This suggests that Mike's view is the middle view and Egalitarian is extreme left. However, Egalitarian is the

🧵In his final video on Women in Ministry, @MikeWingerii frames this as a 'secondary issue'⎯which is great. Then he paradoxically demands repentance from egalitarians, accusing them of inflicting profound harm on the church for sharing their views. M...

🧵In his final video on Women in Ministry, @MikeWingerii frames this as a 'secondary issue'⎯which is great. Then he paradoxically demands repentance from egalitarians, accusing them of inflicting profo

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detai

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals Yes. I know that info because every detail in the context including the grammar, the purpose of the letter, the details Paul gives in the first chapter all fit l

commentary

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals That commentary by Chrysostom shows that

@Heidenzerstorer @RenOfMen @smashbaals That commentary by Chrysostom shows that he doesn’t understand Paul here at all.

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 So your reading is tha

@tjamesosborne @mc_kinnon5 @carolinecwilder @patrick10477 So your reading is that the husband is like God and the wife is like humanity. You command (lovingly) and she obeys unquestioningly. You never

1Ti 3:15 Mat 28:18-20 debate

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Absolutely. Timothy wasn't in a church by himself. Paul was instructing Timothy on "how he should behave" (1Ti 3:15) but this would have impacts to and application to others. Eve...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @michael_ronning Absolutely. Timothy wasn't in a church by himself. Paul was instructing Timothy on "how he should behave" (1Ti 3:15) but this wo