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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Then to help clarify she was deceived, Paul ties this married woman teaching false doctrine in with a similar situation from Eden showing that this problem is due to deception and ignorance like Eve and not out of knowledge lik...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Then to help clarify she was deceived, Paul ties this married woman teaching false doctrine in with a similar situation from Eden showing that this problem is due to deception a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Since this is a personal letter to Timothy, Paul is able to be more discreet and yet Timothy will understand who it is that he needs to deal with. No where does Paul infer explicitly or implicitly that the problem is some teach...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Since this is a personal letter to Timothy, Paul is able to be more discreet and yet Timothy will understand who it is that he needs to deal with. No where does Paul infer expli

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And since Paul clearly outlines that there are two kinds of false teachers: those like himself who did not believe in ignorance and were shown mercy (1Ti 1:13) and those who do it with knowledge like Hymanaeus and Alexander and...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And since Paul clearly outlines that there are two kinds of false teachers: those like himself who did not believe in ignorance and were shown mercy (1Ti 1:13) and those who do

1Ti 1:13 1Ti 1:20 general

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And why he might be obscuring the name of a specific deceived married woman in the church at Ephesus whom Timothy would readily recognize without naming given Paul’s comments. Paul told us: “remain…so that you would instruct *...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And why he might be obscuring the name of a specific deceived married woman in the church at Ephesus whom Timothy would readily recognize without naming given Paul’s comments.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Of course, you are not saying that Paul cannot use “a woman” to be referring to a specific woman, right? Because pennies, tigers and rotten apples have nothing to do with the context of this passage, Paul’s stated purpose in wr...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Of course, you are not saying that Paul cannot use “a woman” to be referring to a specific woman, right? Because pennies, tigers and rotten apples have nothing to do with the co

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Jesus spoke clearly against the kind of authority it seems people are advocating for. It is against that authority over anyone. “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those who exercise authority over ...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Jesus spoke clearly against the kind of authority it seems people are advocating for. It is against that authority over anyone. “The kings of the Gentiles *exercise lordship* o

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@EvilBrady5959 @sovereignbrah No, Paul said that it has to do with the time order of creation, that Adam was formed first and Eve was the last thing formed. What happened in between those two points explains everything about this deception. See more ...

@EvilBrady5959 @sovereignbrah No, Paul said that it has to do with the time order of creation, that Adam was formed first and Eve was the last thing formed. What happened in between those two points e

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@kingdomsheir7 @iLoveJaneAdams @sovereignbrah No, he was there. God says "because you listened to her voice" (Gen 3:17) and "and she also gave some to her husband with her" (Gen 3:6). Because he heard her voice and did nothing he was culpable. He had...

@kingdomsheir7 @iLoveJaneAdams @sovereignbrah No, he was there. God says "because you listened to her voice" (Gen 3:17) and "and she also gave some to her husband with her" (Gen 3:6). Because he heard

Gen 3:17 Gen 3:6 general

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@endofanepoch @0x49fa98 No, you are the one who is misreading this text. Can you

@endofanepoch @0x49fa98 No, you are the one who is misreading this text. Can you explain Paul's summation in 1Ti 2:15 with his specific grammar? If not, how can you be sure about v12? https://t.co/nFc

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@sovereignbrah Here's more details about Genesis 2 and how God was creating anim

@sovereignbrah Here's more details about Genesis 2 and how God was creating animals and plants while Adam was watching. "...from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (L

Lk 12:48 general

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose As for 1 Tim 2:12-14, take a look at the following which e

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose As for 1 Tim 2:12-14, take a look at the following which explains this text in context. https://t.co/YjFKhdD3bw

1 Tim 2:12-14 commentary

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@baste_goblin Paul's reference to 1Ti 2:14 was that the time order of creation h

@baste_goblin Paul's reference to 1Ti 2:14 was that the time order of creation has something to do with Eve being deceived and Adam not being deceived. More in the following post. https://t.co/bLWthwG

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Then to help clarify she was deceived, Paul ties this married woman teaching false doctrine in with a similar situation from Eden showing that this problem is due to deception and ignorance like Eve and not out of knowledge lik...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Since this is a personal letter to Timothy, Paul is able to be more discreet and yet Timothy will understand who it is that he needs to deal with. No where does Paul infer explicitly or implicitly that the problem is some teach...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And since Paul clearly outlines that there are two kinds of false teachers: those like himself who did not believe in ignorance and were shown mercy (1Ti 1:13) and those who do it with knowledge like Hymanaeus and Alexander and...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And why he might be obscuring the name of a specific deceived married woman in the church at Ephesus whom Timothy would readily recognize without naming given Paul’s comments. Paul told us: “remain…so that you would instruct *...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Of course, you are not saying that Paul cannot use “a woman” to be referring to a specific woman, right? Because pennies, tigers and rotten apples have nothing to do with the context of this passage, Paul’s stated purpose in wr...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Jesus spoke clearly against the kind of authority it seems people are advocating for. It is against that authority over anyone. “The kings of the Gentiles *exercise lordship* over them; and those who *exercise authority* over ...

@EvilBrady5959 @sovereignbrah No, Paul said that it has to do with the time order of creation, that Adam was formed first and Eve was the last thing formed. What happened in between those two points explains everything about this deception. See more ...

@kingdomsheir7 @iLoveJaneAdams @sovereignbrah No, he was there. God says "because you listened to her voice" (Gen 3:17) and "and she also gave some to her husband with her" (Gen 3:6). Because he heard her voice and did nothing he was culpable. He had...

@endofanepoch @0x49fa98 No, you are the one who is misreading this text. Can you

@sovereignbrah Here's more details about Genesis 2 and how God was creating anim

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose As for 1 Tim 2:12-14, take a look at the following which e

@baste_goblin Paul's reference to 1Ti 2:14 was that the time order of creation h

@ronhenzel In Luke 12:12, we have a similar construction where the subject is using a second person pronoun and the δεῖ is 3rd person singular. The Holy Spirit's teaching is not impersonal⎯it is meant for the person(s) and the specific situation they...

@ronhenzel Hi Ron, thanks for taking the time to reply. Is there any reason why

@TWFtrish @ronhenzel @NBidnz Or it makes it about hierarchies of authority which

@ronhenzel So you said “So, since I’m debating it further, I’m obviously not treating it as a settled issue.” Seems you meant you are open to being wrong about Junia (could be either way though you think you have big guns behind your position that s...

@DiscoverJesus3 @TWFtrish @ronhenzel @NBidnz I wouldn’t say that last statement as many have come to Christ in patriarchal and complementarian churches. As an egalitarian I have no problem working with complementarians who sincerely think this is the...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Description doesn’t imply prescription. Just as Paul didn’t seem to think Peter was the uncorrectable pope and publicly rebuked him when he strayed by treating the Gentiles differently when the Judiazers were present, I think s...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel There we go again—judicial authority. This is all about authority of one gender over the others or hierarchy of authority within the church which is what Jesus spoke against clearly to his apostles. And curiously you say that w...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Hmm. Yeah, there’s that taking Paul’s “a woman” and changing it to the plural again. I have no problem with you saying I’m wrong, but I obviously think you are wrong and I have much to say about how in these same scriptures yo...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel Jesus also came as a Jew. All His apostles were Jewish. Yet we don’t have only Jewish male pastors and elders. Remember how they were confused on that in the early church too and how God had to show them that the Gentiles were ...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel What you think is clear is because it’s the only way you’ve read these passages. If you hadn’t noticed, there are no male pronouns in the Greek of 1 Tim 3:1-13, there’s no “must not be a woman,” the “one wife husband”—whatever ...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel If that’s the meaning then it presumes this is all about hierarchy of authority which is not something we get from Jesus at all who says things like “it is not to be this way among you” showing that this kind of understanding i...

@LynnCDell2 @ronhenzel If you miss Paul’s connection with Adam and Eve and how death entered the human race then the Attic usage of “to commit murder of one’s kin by one’s own hand” seems out of place. You are assuming this is just about leadership t...

@DoreenVirtue @lovesickscribe Hi Doreen! People who see 1 Tim 2:12 as forbidding godly women from teaching true doctrine to anyone whether in the pulpit or out of the pulpit (does that matter? was there a pulpit in the early church?)⎯these misinterpr...

@lordgrindleford @ScottCross_8 @ronhenzel @CherylSchatz So the honour went to De

@ronhenzel The authority to teach has already been given by Jesus to all believe

@ronhenzel Paul doesn’t indicate Junia had teaching authority? The list of those

@ronhenzel @TWFtrish @NBidnz Ok. But every single believer already has the authority given by Christ himself to teach all nations everything that Jesus commanded and taught his disciples. Perhaps you mean that a person is recognized as sound in the ...

@ronhenzel So the 12 apostles think these two are really great and Paul’s pointing this out to lend credence to them because his opinion is not important? His appeal isn’t to their work or ministry but how well a select 12 think of them? It would b...

@ronhenzel @TWFtrish @NBidnz Remind me again—what exactly does an “authoritative

@ronhenzel I see. Appealing to authority are we? While I appreciate that much training and accreditation should mean they have good reasoning, but this is not always the case. I would much rather see their reasons listed so I can evaluate them, then ...

@ronhenzel Well, they probably should. They are complementarians after all and a

@ronhenzel You are right, it doesn't settle the argument. We need context and ev

@ronhenzel It's only ambiguous if you ignore the texts which provide evidence ab

@ronhenzel The question is why does Paul seem to care that certain ones are well

@ronhenzel Not surprising that the ESV has wording which doesn't acknowledge a w

@ronhenzel However, among clarifies that they are outstanding among the apostles

@ronhenzel This is because Paul is not elevating the opinion of the other apostl

@ronhenzel Why do complementarians keep asserting that this is all about "authoritative teaching"? Please, help⎯what precisely is this authoritative teaching that only men can speak in the church? Is this something extra-Biblical like what car I sho...

@ChrisPorter22 @RevKimWChafee Think before I post? You're kidding right? What post should I retract now? And what precisely is my bias? Please, do tell. Bigotry? How many times do I have to say I'm egalitarian and that women are to be treated equal t...

@ronhenzel And just as I thought, David Garland actually argues against Ron's interpretation... “Paul’s ambivalence about the value of being esteemed by the apostles (Gal. 2:6), however, makes this interpretation of the phrase questionable.” ⎯Garlan...

@Jgallagher1958 @ronhenzel Only foreign speakers need to consult Greek Lexicons.

@RevKimWChafee @ChrisPorter22 What?! You muted me? I'm egalitarian and a vocal a

@ronhenzel Is Paul in the habit of deferring to what the other apostles think of

@ronhenzel Precisely. Because it is how PAUL uses this phrasing, not how other Ancient Greek literature used it in other contexts and by other authors. Authorial intent and context are what we need to pay attention to. Was Paul deferring to how the...

@ronhenzel Yes, we don't know except to understand how Paul is using these words

@ronhenzel Since when does Paul defer to how the apostles esteem certain individuals? “But from those who were of considerable repute [ie. the other apostles] (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism)—well, those who were o...

Ron Henzel @ronhenzel says that the idea that Paul is showing Timothy how he ought to behave is "not REMOTELY possible" is quite a statement. Ron's bias seems to be clouding his judgment. You see, we have the same word being used in Luke 2:12 with ...

@Jgallagher1958 @ronhenzel Who is Paul speaking to here when he says “you stand

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@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 Jesus spoke clearly against the kind of authority it seems people are advocating for. It is against that authority over anyone. “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those who exercise authority over ...