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@bezalelplace @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Those are certainly good questions! I even have to remind my wife that the only ones that know my motives are God, myself and those whom I reveal them to. We should always assume pure motives ...

@bezalelplace @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 Those are certainly good questions! I even have to remind my wife that the only ones that know my motives are God, myself and those whom I reve

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 Hi Rob! Thanks for chiming in again. I think we’ve

@3HillsMinor @Deigratia1985 Hi Rob! Thanks for chiming in again. I think we’ve been here before. Anything specific you want to challenge me on from scripture?

I’m meeting people who feel like gender roles are connected to the gospel and that the husband having authority over the wife in a marriage demonstrates God’s order to the world. I think this is a misunderstanding of the scriptures. The following m...

I’m meeting people who feel like gender roles are connected to the gospel and that the husband having authority over the wife in a marriage demonstrates God’s order to the world. I think this is a mi

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Using scripture to help decide is great. I wasn’t trying to pick any particular decision per se, but the idea that in a disagreement, your desires are prioritized over those of your wife’s. So ultimately ...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Using scripture to help decide is great. I wasn’t trying to pick any particular decision per se, but the idea that in a disagreement, your desires are priori

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Are you following the Bib

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Are you following the Bible?

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 All I’m doing is emulatin

@kelcy_lowry @ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 All I’m doing is emulating Jesus. So what I’m proposing is simply what I see Jesus (and Paul) calling me to. I choose to cast my lots with Jesu

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Can you give me an idea of how this authority plays out for you? - She wants another child, you don’t. You talk about it, but still disagree. What do you do? - She does NOT want another child, you DO. You ...

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 Can you give me an idea of how this authority plays out for you? - She wants another child, you don’t. You talk about it, but still disagree. What do you do

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 What authority do YOU have that you ar

@ymmotrojam @Deigratia1985 @ich1ban123456 What authority do YOU have that you are to use over your wife? (assuming you have one)

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church you need to keep silent violates God’s commands in ...

@igarglewithfire You are right about how ignorant people are to use a verse like this to stop you from saying anything anywhere. That’s clearly over the top. Yet even the idea that in the church y

1 Cor 14:31 general

RT @ryanschatz: @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, rig

RT @ryanschatz: @Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the authority vested in me because of my famil…

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a complementarian you believe I have a false view! Everyo...

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 It does seem you are not very open to being convinced by scripture. You keep assuming your view is correct when you rebuke me. Of course if you are a comple

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m in charge, right? Then by the authority vested in me because of my family jewels, I proclaim that my wife and I are equals in our marriage. There…fi

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Earlier in the same verse, Paul says "But if they do not have self control..." Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. These carnal Christians who are still being controlled by the flesh would be better to be married than ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Earlier in the same verse, Paul says "But if they do not have self control..." Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. These carnal Christians who are still being controlle

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the word of God originate with you? Or has it come to y...

@ymmotrojam It sounds like in this view, Paul is speaking to the women who are objecting to being silenced. It's as if he is saying to them: "If you find this hard to accept, consider this⎯did the wo

@ymmotrojam What do you see are Paul’s commands in 1 Cor 14:1-33,36-39?

1 Cor 14:1-33 question

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believ

@ymmotrojam So what you think that Paul is saying is that those women who believe they should be able to speak as God leads should be ignored because they are females and they are usurping the primacy

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul was addressing in his corrective. The wives were ob...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul wa

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Everyone goes to Eph 5:22 and says that wives must subject themselves to their husbands. But they miss the fact that v22 doesn’t contain the verb, v21 does. My point wasn’t to say that wives are not to subjec...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Everyone goes to Eph 5:22 and says that wives must subject themselves to their husbands. But they miss the fact that v22 doesn’t contain the verb, v21 does. M

Eph 5:22 debate

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 The word kephale has a possible meaning of source or origin. As marriage always goes back to its origin in Eden where Adam was the source of Eve (she was made from his bone and flesh and not directly from th...

@Deigratia1985 @ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 The word kephale has a possible meaning of source or origin. As marriage always goes back to its origin in Eden where Adam was the source of Eve (she was mad

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Take a look at this clip. Surely he has seen my explanation on this going around X as he talks about social media and I have been responding with this idea for months on any thread discussing 1 Tim...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Take a look at this clip. Surely he has seen my explanation on this going around X as he talks about social media and I have been responding with t

1 Tim 2:11-15 general

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific deceived woman who has left orthodoxy and who is u...

@graceforprize @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I didn't flip, Paul switched to the singular. This should stand out clearly to any Greek reader. Paul is focusing on a specific

@psalm119164 @chris_jolliff Maybe all the men don’t understand because the teach

@psalm119164 @chris_jolliff Maybe all the men don’t understand because the teacher is a woman and so the men have their fingers in their ears?

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Loose interpretation? You keep quoting the English. Have you not seen the Greek? Look at it here. "Subject" or ὑποτασσόμενοι (hypotassomenoi) is in verse 21, not verse 22. And it is a participle in a list ...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Loose interpretation? You keep quoting the English. Have you not seen the Greek? Look at it here. "Subject" or ὑποτασσόμενοι (hypotassomenoi) is in verse 21

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Christ is the kephale of “every” man. E

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Christ is the kephale of “every” man. Every man meaning every human. The source of every human. https://t.co/IORdUu0T3w

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are deceptive in how you are framing what I said and ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already explained that I just find it ironic that if the position of elder must be male that the word itself is feminine. I didn't say that elders must be women. You are

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and restrict women from something and make it a sin if...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam My point is that even in cases where there is actually a male pronoun, we use context to understand that it includes all people. This means if you are going to exclude and

commentary

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situation in which they were all speaking in tongues a...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situ

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is the quote: "The accuracy of the NTS articles of G...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Also, it appears you didn't read my post that I linked when discussing about why I conclude the way I do on authentein being about murder. Here is

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (Peter and John), and they self identify. - No one i...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam We don't interpret scripture by history, but by the text. - No-one is specifically identified as a pastor in the New Testament except Jesus. - Only two identify as elders (P

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all believe). - I already explained the meaning of 1 ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all

1 Tim 2:11 commentary

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that P

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 That's precisely my point. In contrast to all that Paul was saying in this chapter, it is so clear and contrastive that it's shocking. Do you not recognize Paul quoting an

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Right, but isn't it just funny that people are saying that being an elder must be male but the word itself is feminine? Don't you see the irony? Hey, I replied to a number of other things you stated. I hope you take the ...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Right, but isn't it just funny that people are saying that being an elder must be male but the word itself is feminine? Don't you see the irony? Hey, I replied to a number

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is kinda funny…that overseer is feminine. I don’t nee...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 But I’m not saying it has to be a female, but you are saying it has to be a male and it is sin if it’s a female. All this with no male pronouns. I’m just showing what is k

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Linda Belleville showed other places where the verb form clearly means to murder; the verb form is very rare. Timothy would know what this meant, but Timothy would certainly not have thought it m...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii Linda Belleville showed other places where the verb form clearly means to murder; the verb form is very rare. Timothy would know what this meant,

1 Tim 2:2 debate

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in government is not to be found within the church! Mike cann...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii That word is only used once in the NT! It cannot mean authority because the word for authority is in 1 Tim 2:2 and such authority like in governmen

1 Tim 2:2 debate

RT @ryanschatz: @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin..

RT @ryanschatz: @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1 Tim 3:1 is feminine.... https://t.co/AxjNaK…

1 Tim 3:1 general

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam Oh, and just to make your head spin... overseer in 1 Tim 3:1 is feminine.... https://t.co/AxjNaK5DMm

1 Tim 3:1 general

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching true doctrine to women to groups including men is...

@psalm119164 @ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam This is not about encouraging false teaching or false prophecy! After all, that is precisely what Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop. A godly woman teaching

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of authority, he had several common words he could hav...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii I believe Paul was searching for a word that represented perfectly what he was getting at. If he wanted to say a woman should not take a place of a

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority but source relationships. You have been thoroughly...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam 1 Tim 2:11 doesn't say women cannot be pastors. Titus 1 uses generic pronouns like τις (tis⎯anyone, someone), same for 1 Tim 3. Headship has nothing to do with authority b

1 Tim 2:11 debate

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii The reason I don't prefer "domineer" or "master" is because of how Paul uses the example of Adam and Eve and I don't think this was what was going on in the garden of Eden. I think he's tying the f...

@SimonReye @hashim_warren @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii The reason I don't prefer "domineer" or "master" is because of how Paul uses the example of Adam and Eve and I don't think this was what was going o

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is impossible for a woman to be "the husband of one w...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural)

@ymmotrojam Also, “be silent” is a single command but Paul says “things (plural) I write”—start at the beginning of 1 Cor 14 and identify the commands Paul writes in the whole chapter.

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore m

@ymmotrojam If you think I’m disobeying Paul then all you have to do is ignore me and the women speaking.

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibility. Why? Paul is warning those that forbid peop...

@ymmotrojam You completely ignore 1 Cor 7:1 in that Paul is responding to things they wrote in their letter but there are no quotes in the Greek. You act like quoting from them is not even a possibil

1 Cor 7:1 debate

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and pastors to congregants). Women are not restricte...

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and

commentary

@ZacharyGarris @monokitsune_x3 Can you please list where “role” is stated in the

@ZacharyGarris @monokitsune_x3 Can you please list where “role” is stated in the New Testament? What is the Greek word used?

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by disobeying a command, then consider the following comm...

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris Where do we find any statement of women speaking in church or teaching from the pulpit listed as a SIN? The word SIN is never used. If you think that sin is defined by diso

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of the Bible. Linda Belleville did an exhaustive se...

@SimonReye @Duke456521 @MikeWingerii @hashim_warren The verb αὐθεντεῖν (authentein) that Paul used is used only this once in the New Testament (called a hapax logomenon) and was rarely used outside of