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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-13

@JeremyMBauman @MarkGrote @kelcy_lowry @hamillaaron @MikeWingerii Unfortunately he didn’t steelman the view that there was a particular deceived woman in Ephesus teaching false doctrine whose husband (likely an elder or respected person) was being si...

@JeremyMBauman @MarkGrote @kelcy_lowry @hamillaaron @MikeWingerii Unfortunately he didn’t steelman the view that there was a particular deceived woman in Ephesus teaching false doctrine whose husband

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-12

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these supposed gender hierarchy passages. Everything goes ba...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these suppo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-10

@Alex7Shiro To be fair he actually believes that God’s design is for him to make sure his wife does things right or else he is failing as a husband. He believes he is emulating God’s order of authority. Interestingly, people don’t obey God and I’m ...

@Alex7Shiro To be fair he actually believes that God’s design is for him to make sure his wife does things right or else he is failing as a husband. He believes he is emulating God’s order of authori

@JeremyMBauman @MarkGrote @kelcy_lowry @hamillaaron @MikeWingerii Unfortunately he didn’t steelman the view that there was a particular deceived woman in Ephesus teaching false doctrine whose husband (likely an elder or respected person) was being si...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Kephale having the possible meaning of source (supported by how the word is being used in its context) is absolutely important to the egalitarian view of these supposed gender hierarchy passages. Everything goes ba...

@Alex7Shiro To be fair he actually believes that God’s design is for him to make sure his wife does things right or else he is failing as a husband. He believes he is emulating God’s order of authority. Interestingly, people don’t obey God and I’m ...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl When Paul says that wives are to submit to th

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl While I am egalitarian, I also disagree with Keener on his insistence that Peter is suggesting that Christian marriages should comply with every human institution including husbands being the lord over their wives. ...

@pauldirks @DeeGoingsGirl @KaeleyT The wife submits to the husband. The husband

@pauldirks @DeeGoingsGirl @KaeleyT Sarah's calling Abraham lord is similar to how we use the term "sir" or "mister" today. The husband and the wife are the leaders of the home and work together as a team. The Biblical statement of the husband as th...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl If I was your boss and I commanded you to obey me, your complete obedience to me would certainly make things work. The measure of Biblical is not simply what works. But this is not how Jesus wants our relationship...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl Do we do things because they work or because

This is the fruit of a husband who exists to be served rather than to serve, who thinks that he doesn't have to obey the instruction "subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ" (Eph 5:21). “But Jesus called them to Himself and said, 'Y...

@woodsywomxn The woman is both the glory of God and the glory of man. Paul’s comment about women submitting to their husbands does not negate the instruction that all are to submit to one another in Eph 5:21 in the fear of Christ—that includes husba...

@ZacharyGarris I have your book—do you want me to refute it here? There is no where that says teaching men is a sin. That is not stated in 1 Tim 2:12 nor anywhere else. Teaching itself is not authoritative, the Word of God is the authority. The i...

@OrinRomine @ryancduff It doesn't say "women (plural) must not teach men (plural)" nor does it say "a woman (singular) must not teach men (plural)"⎯it says clearly "a woman/wife must not teach or 'authentein' a man/husband"⎯what this is referring to ...

@Pathfinder4545 @pastherandie @ChristVictorous @Brian_Sauve Why use the word hea

@pastherandie @lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve This is actually the one instance where authority over the spouse is even mentioned! (I know of no other reference) "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise the...

@IvanIvez440026 @lastadolphin @Brian_Sauve In a relationship, the husband and wi

@ThandaM2 @lukepwilliams @Brian_Sauve This idea that the husband is to represent God and the wife to represent humans is pretty serious because we are all flawed individuals. Anyone that thinks that they have the role of God in someone's life and ca...

@haymes_joshua Here's a comment I shared with a pastor friend of mine that you may find helpful. I don't deny male headship, I just use the context to show that the word doesn't mean authority but source. The only place authority between the husban...

@Jimmer4Pres @WWUTTcom Did you view the video by Dr. James White? He says the anarthrous precedes the articular. Paul says "a woman/wife," then highlights her prototype, Eve, then clarifies "the woman...she will be saved through the childbearing if...

@NewsJun68601116 @Brian_Sauve Where does the Bible speak about gender roles? Wh

@Brian_Sauve This is extremely divisive. You are blaming apostasy on women? Cultural decline due to “unchecked feminine sensibilities”? Because the husband fails to take control over his wife and make all the decisions? Doesn’t it occur to you th...

@WWUTTcom Did you not look at my chart carefully? Paul uses particular grammar and if he wanted to say all women or plural women, he certainly knew how to do that. We also forget that the same word for woman is the same as wife and man the same as ...

In 1 Tim 2:15, who are the “she” and the “they” referring to? Options: 1. A generic woman / all women 2. Eve / all women 3. Women* / all women 4. A specific woman / her and her husband 5. Something else? *Note: some translations change the singula...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Except for si

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Paul needs to

@3HillsMinor @ymmotrojam @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I’ll answer t

I’m meeting people who feel like gender roles are connected to the gospel and that the husband having authority over the wife in a marriage demonstrates God’s order to the world. I think this is a misunderstanding of the scriptures. The following m...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam In the context of husbands and wives being in a sort of master-slave relationship, women being treated like property, there was a common issue here that Paul was addressing in his corrective. The wives were ob...

@ich1ban123456 @psalm119164 @ymmotrojam Everyone goes to Eph 5:22 and says that wives must subject themselves to their husbands. But they miss the fact that v22 doesn’t contain the verb, v21 does. My point wasn’t to say that wives are not to subjec...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I already know your argument and explained how Paul is excluded if it means husband (the passage also would by that same argument require multiple children and that they all believe). - I already explained the meaning of 1 ...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I'm glad you are interested in what Paul inspired by the Spirit. I completely agree! I also agree that when read in a wooden literal way it is impossible for a woman to be "the husband of one w...

@ZacharyGarris @JohnnyABenson I am an egalitarian. I believe in mutual submission one to another in the body of Christ (which means wives to husbands and husbands to wives, congregants to pastors and pastors to congregants). Women are not restricte...

@t_mo_land @jdenehar Eph 5:21 says "and subject yourselves to one another in the bfear of Christ." This includes husbands subjecting themselves to their wives and pastors to their congregants. The Biblical call is mutual subjection, so whatever the...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam The requirement isn't must be male. First, the comment about "one wife husband" is the only place in the Greek might indicate male, but it says husband. If Paul wasn't married and advocated for singleness, then this is no...

@3HillsMinor You appear to have a problem with reading in context. You cannot i

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I never said wives shouldn’t submit to their husbands, only that husbands also should submit to their wives (mutual submission): “and subject yourselves **to one another** in the fear of Christ.”...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Yes. Paul is both an apo

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Even Mike Winger admits that women can be deacons and yet the term “one wife husband” is also a requirement of deacons. Was Paul married? No. And he advocated for singleness—since it removes d...

RT @ryanschatz: @MikeWingerii 🔍 In the clip from [1:44:48] to [1:46:15], you aga

@MikeWingerii 🔍 In the clip from [1:44:48] to [1:46:15], you again question how an egalitarian husband can avoid submitting to his wife. "Do he need to go to a different church?" you say. 🤔 But, I disagree with your interpretation of verse 12. I se...

@TeamPapuForever @graceforprize Paul was both an apostle and overseer but not a husband. So this requirement cannot mean “must be married” but rather “if married, must be faithful.” The emphasis is on the “one.” For the same reason it doesn’t requ...

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC What we see is: &gt;&gt; all people (vv1-7) &gt;&gt; all males (v8) &gt;&gt; all females (vv9-10) &gt;&gt; a woman (v11) &gt;&gt; a woman (wife), a man (husband) (v12) &gt;&gt; Ada...

@graceforprize So women can teach ONLY the following: - WHO: younger women who are married - WHAT: to love their husbands and children Anything else (like theology or any other instruction) and to anyone else⎯these must by taught by the husband. Si...

@jdenehar Thanks for sharing your thoughts and chiming in. What are the specific husband/wife roles you are referring to? How do those apply to singles? what authority does your pastor and elders have? Can they tell you what kind of car you shoul...

@JohnMoo26668690 The appeal to creation is because Adam and Eve are a template o

@ronhenzel @ZacharyGarris These things being true⎯and you won't be able to refute them, the only other anarthrous is "a woman" in vs 11-12. This fits as she is there in the church at Ephesus. She is deceived and unsaved but her husband is not decei...

@AJRigney @ZacharyGarris There’s nothing in this verse that suggests the issue is interruptions. The context is dealing with false teachers, and so the most natural explanation is that there is a deceived woman teaching false doctrine whose non-dece...

@AdamPage85 @brian_lester88 @tomcatpdx5000 You are right that the order of creation is significant, but in this case Paul is using Adam and Eve as a template for a couple in Ephesus where the deceived wife is teaching false doctrine and the husband w...

@autocorrect2_0 The first thing is this umbrella analogy is non-sensical as all

@Rach4Patriarchy Thanks for the response. This raises some questions for me as I still don’t quite understand your perspective. 1. If a husband permits or encourages his wife to write a book, does this mean he’s responsible for the teaching or auth...

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@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning I never said wives shouldn’t submit to their husbands, only that husbands also should submit to their wives (mutual submission): “and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ.”...

@graceforprize @sympatheticNPC What we see is: >> all people (vv1-7) >> all males (v8) >> all females (vv9-10) >> a woman (v11) >> a woman (wife), a man (husband) (v12) >> Ada...