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@BogdanOancea77 @BarakWatson @justasbefuddled Verses 11 and 12 contain an anarthrous noun (without the article), so in Greek, when we have a later reference with the article (v14 "the woman"), it is taken as an anaphoric reference back to the anarthr...

@BogdanOancea77 @BarakWatson @justasbefuddled Verses 11 and 12 contain an anarthrous noun (without the article), so in Greek, when we have a later reference with the article (v14 "the woman"), it is t

23/23🧵In summary, what makes the most sense of these verses in context in light

23/23🧵In summary, what makes the most sense of these verses in context in light of Paul responding to matters raised in the Corinthian letter to him is that he quotes from their letter and responds or

22/23🧵Question: How does stopping women edify the church? What does Paul have to say to those who disregard his instructions that ALL are to excel in spiritual gifts to EDIFY the church (v12) for the COMMON good (v7) and for edification (v26)? He t...

22/23🧵Question: How does stopping women edify the church? What does Paul have to say to those who disregard his instructions that ALL are to excel in spiritual gifts to EDIFY the church (v12) for the

21/23🧵1 Cor 14:36 starts with the Greek letter ἢ. The Exegetical Dictionary of the NT gives this as an example of a rhetorical question we are expected to answer 'no' to. The Concise Greek_English Dictionary agrees listing ἢ as a 'disjunctive conju...

21/23🧵1 Cor 14:36 starts with the Greek letter ἢ. The Exegetical Dictionary of the NT gives this as an example of a rhetorical question we are expected to answer 'no' to. The Concise Greek_English D

1 Cor 14:36 general

20/23🧵In summary: no women learning the scripture? No women giving forth the wo

20/23🧵In summary: no women learning the scripture? No women giving forth the word? NONSENSE! Adam Clarke and Sir William Ramsay both take this as Paul quoting from the Corinthians (see below): http

19/23🧵Would Paul have used the oral law to back up his doctrine? Would he have described a woman’s voice as indecent, lewd, filthy, vile or foul? Given the context of the verses surrounding v34-35, I argue absolutely NOT! Paul replies back in the ...

19/23🧵Would Paul have used the oral law to back up his doctrine? Would he have described a woman’s voice as indecent, lewd, filthy, vile or foul? Given the context of the verses surrounding v34-35,

18/23🧵We must consider whether Paul is quoting from the letter from the Corinthi

18/23🧵We must consider whether Paul is quoting from the letter from the Corinthians and rebuking it. See the attached quote from the 1924 Montgomery translation of the New Testament which interpreted

17/23🧵Paul's instructions are meant for ALL in the body: 14:5 - "I would like E

17/23🧵Paul's instructions are meant for ALL in the body: 14:5 - "I would like EVERY ONE of you to speak" 14:26 - "EACH of you" 14:27 - "if anyone speaks" 14:31 - "you can ALL prophesy...so everyone m

15/23🧵Continuing on in 1 Corinthians, we see that Paul responds to other matters

15/23🧵Continuing on in 1 Corinthians, we see that Paul responds to other matters from their letter, and in each case, the quote has to be determined by the context! https://t.co/Lo5Jh17Rei

14/23🧵Earlier in chapter 5 Paul noted the sexual immorality among them⎯so this is why he responded the way he does in ch 7. Paul shows how abstaining from things doesn't resolve the problem. See how Paul addresses this issue in the letter to the Co...

14/23🧵Earlier in chapter 5 Paul noted the sexual immorality among them⎯so this is why he responded the way he does in ch 7. Paul shows how abstaining from things doesn't resolve the problem. See how

12/23🧵Just looking at the translations you can see that some use quotation marks

12/23🧵Just looking at the translations you can see that some use quotation marks, some don’t. Some use commas or colons. Imagine how easy it is to misunderstand this to mean that Paul was advocating

11/23🧵In the context of this first letter from Paul to the church at Corinth, in

11/23🧵In the context of this first letter from Paul to the church at Corinth, in 1 Cor 7:1, Paul begins to respond to specific matters from their prior letter: "Now concerning the things you wrote ab

1 Cor 7:1 commentary

10/23🧵There is no denying the fact that the Jewish oral laws forbade women from

10/23🧵There is no denying the fact that the Jewish oral laws forbade women from speaking in the assembly. Paul never gave validity to these oral laws to form the basis of the church. https://t.co/Q2aI

9/23🧵The Jews were not allowed to burn God's word, but if it came down to a choi

9/23🧵The Jews were not allowed to burn God's word, but if it came down to a choice between giving scriptures into the hands of women or destroying God's word, they were told that the scriptures should

7/23🧵There are Jewish oral rabbinical traditions (referred to as the oral law or traditions of the elders) which are captured in the Talmud. In the Talmud, women - are blamed for the fall of man - were to be heard and seen as little as possible - no...

7/23🧵There are Jewish oral rabbinical traditions (referred to as the oral law or traditions of the elders) which are captured in the Talmud. In the Talmud, women - are blamed for the fall of man - we

6/23🧵How could Paul be making the statement that women speaking in church is lik

6/23🧵How could Paul be making the statement that women speaking in church is like the disgrace of being a prostitute? Where is this reflected in the law?? https://t.co/ZpZYroN9Aw

5/23🧵The law (gr:'nomos') is referenced 9 times in 1 Cor, each time referring to the Mosaic law or God's law. Where in God's law is a law that silences women in the church or synagogue? It is not found except in v34, but it cannot refer back to its...

5/23🧵The law (gr:'nomos') is referenced 9 times in 1 Cor, each time referring to the Mosaic law or God's law. Where in God's law is a law that silences women in the church or synagogue? It is not fo

4/23🧵In the local context, it seems clear that silent means to not speak or voca

4/23🧵In the local context, it seems clear that silent means to not speak or vocalize. It is applied to women (plural) and it applies in the context of the church. https://t.co/apPmHgixip

2/23🧵Taken out of its context and strictly literally, we would have: 1. No women

2/23🧵Taken out of its context and strictly literally, we would have: 1. No women preaching 2. No women singing 3. No women teaching children or adults 4. No women doing anything that requires vocaliza

1/23🧵Exegeting 1 Cor 14:34-35. Notice that silence is within the church, it's substantiated by 'the law' which subordinates and silences women, and the reason is because their voice is disgraceful. Being rude and interrupting is a different probl...

1/23🧵Exegeting 1 Cor 14:34-35. Notice that silence is within the church, it's substantiated by 'the law' which subordinates and silences women, and the reason is because their voice is disgraceful.

1 Cor 14:34-35 general

@harmonizedgrace Depends on what you mean by "fundamental" as the biology is fundamental in every cell (XY vs XX chromosomes), but men and women are equally able to lead as they are both rulers. There was no hierarchy or authority structures created...

@harmonizedgrace Depends on what you mean by "fundamental" as the biology is fundamental in every cell (XY vs XX chromosomes), but men and women are equally able to lead as they are both rulers. Ther

@BogdanOancea77 @BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii When we are debating these issues, you cannot just quote the Bible, you have to explain it. What does head mean in this context? Is Paul referring to authority and hierarchy to explain the...

@BogdanOancea77 @BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii When we are debating these issues, you cannot just quote the Bible, you have to explain it. What does head mean in this context? Is Paul r

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii Only Gentiles were made equal?

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii Only Gentiles were made equal? Why does Paul list them together with women? What about the churches Paul planted in scripture?

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii I am not twisting scripture…I am

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii I am not twisting scripture…I am actually untwisting it.

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii First, you cannot possibly know that no one questioned it. Second, Timothy would have understood that Paul wasn’t stopping women from teaching the truth (for instance). Third, we follow what the Bible...

@Richard56245924 @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii First, you cannot possibly know that no one questioned it. Second, Timothy would have understood that Paul wasn’t stopping women from teaching the trut

@marauder34 @_nomadic_soul @AMS_Perkins Well…authorities on the other side were silenced. They said something and were fired, defrocked and kicked off social media. Which begs the question: when someone is willing to lose their job for speaking up ...

@marauder34 @_nomadic_soul @AMS_Perkins Well…authorities on the other side were silenced. They said something and were fired, defrocked and kicked off social media. Which begs the question: when som

@scottspeig @MikeWingerii I’m not saying there is no one with authority, just th

@scottspeig @MikeWingerii I’m not saying there is no one with authority, just that authority is not gender based. Maybe it would make sense to you if I said it this way: I don’t believe that only whi

@danitreweek Maybe it’s time for the new new egalitarian playbook which focuses

@danitreweek Maybe it’s time for the new new egalitarian playbook which focuses on exposition and less on feelings? Try me.

@GlennDavies @danitreweek Interesting. I’m egalitarian. I think I have exegesi

@GlennDavies @danitreweek Interesting. I’m egalitarian. I think I have exegesis that makes sense of the hard passages. No need for slander or wading into feelings and experiences. Try me.

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii In the meantime, do you have an issue with my exegesi

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii In the meantime, do you have an issue with my exegesis?

@farmingandJesus So they say Mary is a secondary mediator? That the scripture does not exclude a secondary mediatorship? "there is ONE mediator" meaning no secondary, etc. The following is from: Ott, L. (1957). Fundamentals of Catholic dogma (p. 2...

@farmingandJesus So they say Mary is a secondary mediator? That the scripture does not exclude a secondary mediatorship? "there is ONE mediator" meaning no secondary, etc. The following is from: Ot

@farmingandJesus “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind,

@farmingandJesus “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.”

1 Timothy 2:5 general

@KaeleyT Wow. WOW! You did really well to endure that!! So revealing how he d

@KaeleyT Wow. WOW! You did really well to endure that!! So revealing how he didn't seem to be concerned about what happened to you! In no universe should a husband hit his wife with anything... I

In trying to answer a question about 1 Tim 2:11-15, I've made an attempt to comp

In trying to answer a question about 1 Tim 2:11-15, I've made an attempt to compress the explanation into a shorter post. You might find this helpful. https://t.co/owi1JZUELv

1 Tim 2:11-15 general

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii No, that's not quite what I think is going on here. There appears to be a specific couple in the Ephesian church where the woman is deceived and teaching false doctrine and the husband who knows better (possibly he's even ...

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii No, that's not quite what I think is going on here. There appears to be a specific couple in the Ephesian church where the woman is deceived and teaching false doctrine and

@BrotherBoaz @PastorMark Fair enough. It's definitely mostly a guy thing to do

@BrotherBoaz @PastorMark Fair enough. It's definitely mostly a guy thing to do what Mark said. Probably the female equivalent is social media 24/7 with the rest mostly the same. I guess I'm saying

@PastorMark Good point. But it makes me wonder...is it ok for women to do that?

@PastorMark Good point. But it makes me wonder...is it ok for women to do that??

Q: "What does being the head of the wife mean?" @MikeWingerii You sound like yo

Q: "What does being the head of the wife mean?" @MikeWingerii You sound like you are 95% egalitarian. It seems it's now down to making the final call when there is a disagreement. Is that it??? ht

Thanks for clarifying! I don't see Genesis 1-3 as fatal for an egalitarian view at all. There's certainly a lot of poor scholarship (though I see it on both sides), but if we focus only on the best arguments, Gen 1-3 is actually a critical foundati...

Thanks for clarifying! I don't see Genesis 1-3 as fatal for an egalitarian view at all. There's certainly a lot of poor scholarship (though I see it on both sides), but if we focus only on the best

RT @ryanschatz: @NateSchlomann For much of history, male authority over their wi

RT @ryanschatz: @NateSchlomann For much of history, male authority over their wives was commonplace. Could we say the same that complement…

Thanks for clarifying! I don't see Genesis 1-3 as fatal for an egalitarian view at all. There's certainly a lot of poor scholarship (though I see it on both sides), but if we focus only on the best arguments, Gen 1-3 is actually a critical foundati...

Thanks for clarifying! I don't see Genesis 1-3 as fatal for an egalitarian view at all. There's certainly a lot of poor scholarship (though I see it on both sides), but if we focus only on the best

1 Tim 2:11-12 1 Tim 2:13 general

"A woman" from 1 Tim 2:11-12 is an anarthrous noun (lacks the definite article,

"A woman" from 1 Tim 2:11-12 is an anarthrous noun (lacks the definite article, 'the') and the only sustainable explanation for "the woman" in 1 Tim 2:13 is as an anaphoric reference back to "a woman"

1 Tim 2:11-12 1 Tim 2:13 general

"A woman" from 1 Tim 2:11-12 is an anarthrous noun (lacks the definite article,

"A woman" from 1 Tim 2:11-12 is an anarthrous noun (lacks the definite article, 'the') and the only sustainable explanation for "the woman" in 1 Tim 2:13 is as a anaphoric reference back to "a woman"

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii 1) Does Paul say the woman is not also the glory of God? No. 2) No, rather since Eve was made from Adam's flesh and bone Adam's transgression applies to all humanity. Adam's sin was different than Eve's; God considered i...

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii 1) Does Paul say the woman is not also the glory of God? No. 2) No, rather since Eve was made from Adam's flesh and bone Adam's transgression applies to all humanity. Ada

Hosea 6:7 debate

@BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii To subject yourself to one another simply means to submit to and serve one another's needs. Jesus demonstrated this when He humbled Himself to become a man and die on our behalf, washing the feet of Judas ...

@BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii To subject yourself to one another simply means to submit to and serve one another's needs. Jesus demonstrated this when He humbled Himself to become a man

@BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii Thanks for the reply. Ephesians 5:21 says that we are to subject ourselves to one another; verse 22 doesn't contain the verb (it is implied). Therefore, what it cannot mean is that wives are hierarchicall...

@BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii Thanks for the reply. Ephesians 5:21 says that we are to subject ourselves to one another; verse 22 doesn't contain the verb (it is implied). Therefore, w

Ephesians 5:21 debate

@_nomadic_soul @AMS_Perkins So your contention with JM is that he made it seem l

@_nomadic_soul @AMS_Perkins So your contention with JM is that he made it seem like it was a sin not to attend church and didn't provide reasonable alternatives for those who weren't comfortable?

@justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii That is precisely what the egalitarian view is.

@justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii That is precisely what the egalitarian view is. That there are no gender based hierarchy or authority structures promoted in the Bible for families and churches.

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what you think he meant by "role differences." Do you think its that women need to ask males for permission, or women need men to make decisions, or that women need male covering, or that a woman needs male he...

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I'm not sure what you think he meant by "role differences." Do you think its that women need to ask males for permission, or women need men to make decisions, or that women