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@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii So far Mike has presented 27.5 hours of video with li

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii So far Mike has presented 27.5 hours of video with likely his longest one yet to come (on 1 Tim2:11-15), much of which is analyzing bad arguments. He gave his view which is

1 Tim2:11-15 general

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii Mike: "This is huge...this is 99% of the debate right

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii Mike: "This is huge...this is 99% of the debate right here in Genesis 1-3 in this one sentence: 'The wife's subordination is presented only as a result of the fall, as a res

@MikeWingerii Central to the 'in house' debate on this issue has to do with whet

@MikeWingerii Central to the 'in house' debate on this issue has to do with whether one side sees the other as 'in sin' and creating division over this (ie. the SBC kicking out churches who allow wome

@MikeWingerii As an egalitarian, I agree with points #1-4. I take issue with #5 because it says there is an inherent hierarchy and authority structure between the husband and wife and between males and females in the church. That said, if you do a ...

@MikeWingerii As an egalitarian, I agree with points #1-4. I take issue with #5 because it says there is an inherent hierarchy and authority structure between the husband and wife and between males a

@NateSchlomann For much of history, male authority over their wives was commonpl

@NateSchlomann For much of history, male authority over their wives was commonplace. Could we say the same that complementarians were just imbibing from the cultural water tap?

@rightresponsem For much of history, male authority over their wives was commonp

@rightresponsem For much of history, male authority over their wives was commonplace. Could we say the same that complementarians were just imbibing from the cultural water tap?

@MikeWingerii @kamkorderx @jones_shaun Belleville’s excellent research on Authen

@MikeWingerii @kamkorderx @jones_shaun Belleville’s excellent research on Authentein is critical to this discussion. https://t.co/q2RauE3Gfv

@MikeWingerii Most of these are just guesses that don’t hold up. Egalitarians a

@MikeWingerii Most of these are just guesses that don’t hold up. Egalitarians are fundamentally on the right track but many guess on these hard passages. For a view that is consistent with all the d

@MikeWingerii Although Belleville’s analysis of authentein and the lexical probl

@MikeWingerii Although Belleville’s analysis of authentein and the lexical problems with BDAG is sound, her interpretation of verse 12 still doesn’t make sense. For another view that I think works se

@Cityguy2011 @_nomadic_soul @DrFrankTurek Our equality is based on our humanity.

@Cityguy2011 @_nomadic_soul @DrFrankTurek Our equality is based on our humanity. Women are not a different species! In the Genesis account, the woman was made from Adam’s flesh and bone indicating t

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii If you want a quick explanation of how I interpret Ge

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii If you want a quick explanation of how I interpret Genesis 2 which Mike says implies Adam’s leadership over Eve as part of the original creation intent of God, see this post

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I have. I disagree with Mike on this one. In his second video, he says that the idea of whether or not Gen 3:16 applies to after the fall as a consequence of sin is 99% of the debate. I agree with Mike on that. How you ...

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii I have. I disagree with Mike on this one. In his second video, he says that the idea of whether or not Gen 3:16 applies to after the fall as a consequence of sin is 99% of

Gen 3:16 debate

@MikeWingerii But part of being a man does not mean being the authority over you

@MikeWingerii But part of being a man does not mean being the authority over your wife or being the only gender that leads.

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek I don't disagree with you, but we're talking about what Paul wrote and you seem to be avoiding admitting things I pointed out from Paul's text that are right in front of you. Once you ad...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek I don't disagree with you, but we're talking about what Paul wrote and you seem to be avoiding admitting things I pointed out from Paul's

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Wait, so you agre

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Wait, so you agree that the word submit is not after "wives" in verse 22? So you admit that this isn't some sort of hierarchical arrange

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Or Isaiah? At le

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Or Isaiah? At least we have an early copy of something written by Paul. Don't you think that's more relevant than a Hebrew manuscript i

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@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Here's an actual early Greek manuscript (P46) from Romans 12, something written by Paul. https://t.co/saOXJexSY6 Pretty clear there's no punctuation or spacing. You have to be great and...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Here's an actual early Greek manuscript (P46) from Romans 12, something written by Paul. https://t.co/saOXJexSY6 Pretty clear there's no

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@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek That's the Hebrew

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek That's the Hebrew Old Testament...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Ok, Arthur, you are showing your ignorance here. Ephesians was written by Paul in the New Testament. See the dots under "subject yourselves" in verse 22? That means it's not in the Gre...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Ok, Arthur, you are showing your ignorance here. Ephesians was written by Paul in the New Testament. See the dots under "subject yourse

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@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Verse 22 doesn’t have the verb submit in it. Check it out. So if verse 21 is true then verse 22 CANNOT mean that wives are like the slaves of their husbands. That’s actually how the cu...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Verse 22 doesn’t have the verb submit in it. Check it out. So if verse 21 is true then verse 22 CANNOT mean that wives are like the sla

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Huh? Jezebel? How does she seek authority over men? Ephesians 5:21 says “submit to one another in the fear of Christ.” That means men submitting to women and women submitting to men. ...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Huh? Jezebel? How does she seek authority over men? Ephesians 5:21 says “submit to one another in the fear of Christ.” That means men

Ephesians 5:21 debate

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @DrFrankTurek The only connection with God’s order was deception. At least that’s how Paul parses Gen 1-3 in 1 Tim 2:11-15. It’s not about authority. It’s about a man who had been given knowledge completely failing ...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @DrFrankTurek The only connection with God’s order was deception. At least that’s how Paul parses Gen 1-3 in 1 Tim 2:11-15. It’s not about authority. It’s about a ma

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

@ianfranklin @JeyButBased @MikeWingerii Not “having authority” but a very unique

@ianfranklin @JeyButBased @MikeWingerii Not “having authority” but a very unique word so the English “exercising authority” doesn’t do it justice. There’s a lot going on here so it’s worth examining.

@jmmooreo @brmorris “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Ephesi

@jmmooreo @brmorris “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Ephesians 5:21, NIV). This most certainly means men to women and women to men, leaders to congregants and congregants to lead

Ephesians 5:21 debate

1 Timothy 2:11-15 general

Creating a proper thread. Egalitarian and Biblically faithful exposition of 1 T

Creating a proper thread. Egalitarian and Biblically faithful exposition of 1 Timothy 2:11-15. https://t.co/dvkKdPd1sy

Is this an example of what it means to be the authority over your wife? (watch

Is this an example of what it means to be the authority over your wife? (watch 5 minutes from 18m44s) https://t.co/E1VDC2meNI

@MikeWingerii Here's my exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15. Hope you find it helpful.

@MikeWingerii Here's my exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15. Hope you find it helpful. There needs to be peace brought on this issue so that it stops being a matter of division. https://t.co/dvkKdPd1sy

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate

I would love to hear Dani's feedback on my take on this hard passage in 1 Timoth

I would love to hear Dani's feedback on my take on this hard passage in 1 Timothy. https://t.co/TXfyzp96hZ

1/🧵In light of some who believe that female pastors (and those who support them) are in high-handed rebellion against God, I'd like to provide an exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 which is egalitarian and Biblically faithful. We need to remember that thos...

1/🧵In light of some who believe that female pastors (and those who support them) are in high-handed rebellion against God, I'd like to provide an exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 which is egalitarian and B

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2/🧵Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 1) Context in 1 Timothy 1 "A Text Without

2/🧵Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 1) Context in 1 Timothy 1 "A Text Without A Context is Pretext for a Prooftext" First, we must review the context of our passage as context is what limits possib

1 Tim 2:11-15 commentary

1 Tim 2:11-15 1 Timothy 2:1-10 commentary

3/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 2) Context in 1 Timothy 2:1-10 In Chapter

3/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 2) Context in 1 Timothy 2:1-10 In Chapter 2 and following the context of false teaching, Paul gives instructions on dealing with various related issues. ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯

1 Tim 2:11-15 1 Timothy 2:11-12 general

4/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 3) 1 Timothy 2:11-12 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 4-1. Paul then switches to the singular form in verse 11 (singular feminine) when he gives the command that "a woman" must receive instruction in quietness and in full submission to...

4/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 3) 1 Timothy 2:11-12 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 4-1. Paul then switches to the singular form in verse 11 (singular feminine) when he gives the command that "a woman" must receive

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5/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 4) 1 Timothy 2:13-14 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 5-1. In 1 Tim 2:13-14, Paul relates the problem back to Genesis where the first one created is connected to not being deceived. Adam is not connected to authority but to that of no...

5/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 4) 1 Timothy 2:13-14 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 5-1. In 1 Tim 2:13-14, Paul relates the problem back to Genesis where the first one created is connected to not being deceived. Ad

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6/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 5, final) 1 Timothy 2:15 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 6-1. In

6/🧵 Exposition of 1 Tim 2:11-15 (part 5, final) 1 Timothy 2:15 ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯ 6-1. In 1 Tim 2:15, 'the woman' is said that she 'will be saved if'⎯it is in the future tense. This cannot be Eve because Eve

@ianfranklin @ANTHOWEEZY @MikeWingerii Sometimes the culture can get some things

@ianfranklin @ANTHOWEEZY @MikeWingerii Sometimes the culture can get some things correct. Though culture today is extremely messed up, the point of a wife and a husband should be equal is correct.

@ianfranklin @MikeWingerii Parents have authority over their children, but not a

@ianfranklin @MikeWingerii Parents have authority over their children, but not after they become adults. Why would a wife be viewed as an eternal child? Makes no sense.

@ianfranklin @MikeWingerii The only scripture related to authority over either husband and wife is the following: “The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over h...

@ianfranklin @MikeWingerii The only scripture related to authority over either husband and wife is the following: “The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to he

@_nomadic_soul Church is about people. It is very understandable how you feel. I recently got pushed out of a church and 3 that I looked into won't ever allow me into leadership because I am egalitarian. The church I'm now going to seems focused o...

@_nomadic_soul Church is about people. It is very understandable how you feel. I recently got pushed out of a church and 3 that I looked into won't ever allow me into leadership because I am egalita

@MikeWingerii Meeting with other believers in person is hugely important. Reading our Bibles and letting scripture shape us (rather than commentaries and even sermons) is primary. “And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and ...

@MikeWingerii Meeting with other believers in person is hugely important. Reading our Bibles and letting scripture shape us (rather than commentaries and even sermons) is primary. “And let us consid

@MikeWingerii This is precisely how I was able to understand that in 1 Tim 2:11-

@MikeWingerii This is precisely how I was able to understand that in 1 Tim 2:11-15 Paul was not preventing all women from teaching others (including men).

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@CherylSchatz Do you think that in all cases authority has to be explicitly given? We are not given the words God spoke to Eve but we can see from her testimony that God repeated the command to both of them because she says God said and uses plural ...

@CherylSchatz Do you think that in all cases authority has to be explicitly given? We are not given the words God spoke to Eve but we can see from her testimony that God repeated the command to both

@nightwindsmusic @SweetbbJiyasus @revjeffvox @QuiverQuant I'm not sure what you are talking about. Churches usually help the poor in various ways. We have a compassionate program in my area where over the winter, we provide shelter and dinner and b...

@nightwindsmusic @SweetbbJiyasus @revjeffvox @QuiverQuant I'm not sure what you are talking about. Churches usually help the poor in various ways. We have a compassionate program in my area where ov

@_nomadic_soul There weren't "denominations" back then. The church (ie. the believers) met in homes. A city probably had only one, so not like you had a choice like today. Heb 10:24-25: "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward ...

@_nomadic_soul There weren't "denominations" back then. The church (ie. the believers) met in homes. A city probably had only one, so not like you had a choice like today. Heb 10:24-25: "And let

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@rightresponsem @Kdubtru They are regenerate from the womb? Now I see why your

@rightresponsem @Kdubtru They are regenerate from the womb? Now I see why your wife was reading a book on paedobaptism...

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@_nomadic_soul Church being a "building" or a specific denomination isn't what is important. Meeting regularly with a group of believers that adhere to the fundamentals of the faith and with elders where you are challenged and cared for is important...

@_nomadic_soul Church being a "building" or a specific denomination isn't what is important. Meeting regularly with a group of believers that adhere to the fundamentals of the faith and with elders w

@MikeWingerii It certainly means we will disagree with "mainstream cultural norms," but it doesn't require that they cannot get some things right. Our reference has to be the Bible, not culture. This can be particularly difficult when the culture i...

@MikeWingerii It certainly means we will disagree with "mainstream cultural norms," but it doesn't require that they cannot get some things right. Our reference has to be the Bible, not culture. Thi

@WillQuestions @MikeWingerii Yes, he does name her. But where does the Bible te

@WillQuestions @MikeWingerii Yes, he does name her. But where does the Bible tell us that means he has authority over her since it isn’t written that God gave him authority over her? Kind of importa

@Journeyman_Joe @MikeWingerii I should have been more clear. Mike said that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall. BTW, in Gen 3:16 God was speaking to Eve, not Adam. God was prophesying how their relationship would be affected. Where did G...

@Journeyman_Joe @MikeWingerii I should have been more clear. Mike said that Adam had authority over Eve before the fall. BTW, in Gen 3:16 God was speaking to Eve, not Adam. God was prophesying how

Gen 3:16 debate

@MikeWingerii eg. World Mission Society Church of God (Mother God cult) https://

@MikeWingerii eg. World Mission Society Church of God (Mother God cult) https://t.co/1xAWWo3vyC

@MikeWingerii Steve Ullmer makes a good point. I think we also need to remember

@MikeWingerii Steve Ullmer makes a good point. I think we also need to remember that many cults claim to get their theology from the Bible too. We not only need to get it from the Bible, but rightly