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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-15

@blitziod @muddymothball @godlywomanhood Also, 1 Cor 7:3-4 says the wife has authority over the husband’s body. How does that work when you have two wives? One has to sleep alone for half of their married lives? How does she feel hearing her husba...

@blitziod @muddymothball @godlywomanhood Also, 1 Cor 7:3-4 says the wife has authority over the husband’s body. How does that work when you have two wives? One has to sleep alone for half of their m

1 Cor 7:3-4 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-15

@muddymothball @blitziod @godlywomanhood You are right that the New Testament mo

@muddymothball @blitziod @godlywomanhood You are right that the New Testament model is monogamy. The term is literally “one wife husband” and “one husband wife” in 1 Tim ch 3 and ch 5.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-12

@JohnMoo26668690 @WillEhrendreich @ElizabethOstli1 So you agree that the husband

@JohnMoo26668690 @WillEhrendreich @ElizabethOstli1 So you agree that the husband doesn’t have authority over his body? There is an exception, something he doesn’t explicitly have authority over. You

@blitziod @muddymothball @godlywomanhood Also, 1 Cor 7:3-4 says the wife has authority over the husband’s body. How does that work when you have two wives? One has to sleep alone for half of their married lives? How does she feel hearing her husba...

@muddymothball @blitziod @godlywomanhood You are right that the New Testament mo

@JohnMoo26668690 @WillEhrendreich @ElizabethOstli1 So you agree that the husband

@JohnHar63885981 @DickSaban1 The problem is that you assume the office is limited to men. But just as it is not limited to married men with children, it is also not limited to men. If you say husband must mean it's a man, then it must also mean he ...

@PubliusJosephus @DickSaban1 How can you say it is exclusionary to men and not a

@WillEhrendreich @JohnMoo26668690 @ElizabethOstli1 Think about this for a second…If the man doesn’t have authority over his own body…then what makes you think he has authority over his wife? I’m simply finding an example where the husband is said he...

@PubliusJosephus @DickSaban1 If the requirement "one wife husband" is the same for both elders and deacons and females can be deacons, then on that basis there is no restriction females cannot be elders. Leadership leads to Christ and His Word; it i...

1 Tim 2:11-15 ⎯ Paul writes a personal letter to Timothy to instruct him to stop

@DickSaban1 The phrase “one wife husband” repeated for deacons and also in Titus 1 and in 1 Tim 5:9 as “one husband wife” is an idiom for faithful to one’s spouse if married. Paul was not married and advocated for singleness so this cannot mean must...

@outcatching @GlennDavies @danitreweek This way of framing our difference is disingenuous. You don’t see that how you interpret this issue is through your patriarchal rubric? You split a hair on one detail in the phrase “one wife husband” and don’t...

@outcatching @GlennDavies @danitreweek Maybe you can teach me then. What does “

@nsraban Actually, it seems 1 Cor 14:34-35 says all women are to keep silent because their speaking is shameful. Those who are married can ask their husbands at home. It totally goes against Paul’s instructions that all can prophesy and all can lea...

@Robert_S_Morley @FearlessExpress @autocorrect2_0 Here’s a thread I created on 1 Tim 2:11-15 showing that this passage is dealing with a specific woman and her husband. The woman is deceived so Paul doesn’t name her but it’s a personal letter to Tim...

@nsraban @CovenantReform2 @smashbaals Yes, Nice find. But Num 30:13 isn’t a law silencing women in the assembly but confirming whether her vow which she speaks is in force and binding. Kind of different. Gen 3:16 is a prophecy to the woman about w...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck Well, what happens to single women who don't have a husband? I think this passage refers to how the wife often sticks with an abusive, controlling husband even though it doesn't make sense. I could be wrong, bu...

@outcatching @GlennDavies @danitreweek The English translations insert male pronouns likely because of the phrase "one wife husband" but the passage is not intending to say an elder must not be a woman or must not be single or must have children. Ta...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck In that day, a woman was dependent on her husband to survive. By divorcing his wife, she would be forced to remarry to survive and therefore commit adultery. I am not adding and removing things based on what I ...

@GlennDavies @outcatching @danitreweek “One wife husband” is written in the male form and the default would be to follow the male form but it doesn’t require “must be male” or “must not be female” just like elders are not required to be married and h...

@GlennDavies @outcatching @danitreweek Both forms are used so I summarized as “faithful to one’s spouse”. 1 Tim 3:2,12; Tit 1:6 is the husband form and 1 Tim 5:9 the wife form. The “he’s” are following the default but the male pronoun isn’t there. ...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck What teachings of Paul, Peter, Moses and J

@outcatching @TomBuck Firstly, all believers are priests already. You are right to think that leadership requires mature examples, but 1 Tim 3:2 says literally “one wife husband” which doesn’t mean married (Paul isn’t married) but faithful if marrie...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck You are right in that the husband is the kephale of his wife (since marriage always refers back to the first marriage). The problem is that you presume kephale means authority over or rule over. It means source...

@uncledando @TomBuck "Another spirit is working in you"⎯people said this to Jesus too. You should really avoid going here just because we disagree on a secondary matter. Please define for me what "husband/wife distinction" means to you? Sarah resp...

@uncledando @ChristChurchTe1 @TomBuck So where does that leave single women? I have a feeling we have a totally different idea of what leading means. Both the husband and the wife lead in different ways and different times. It is a mutual leadersh...

@uncledando @TomBuck Well, surely it's at least self aware. Perhaps you are suggesting the transgender community is trying to end any distinction in male/female. Granted. But also you didn't define what you meant by "husband/wife distinction" ⎯ I ...

@uncledando @TomBuck I don't think anyone is trying to end "husband/wife distinc

@ChrisHohnholz Except 1 Tim 2:11 says "a woman" not "women" and verse 15 says "she (singular) will be saved through the (definite) childbearing (noun) if they (the wife and husband that Paul was referring to)". One would expect verse 14 to say "but ...

@OccamsBraiser @iheartJ37 @MikeWingerii No, that’s not quite right. It says wom

@OccamsBraiser @iheartJ37 @MikeWingerii - Not shameful to interrupt (as that wouldn’t be gender specific). - What makes married women specifically out of order for speaking? - what about single women who cannot ask their husbands? What about younger...

@bjoropeza1 Wouldn't it be a problem if anyone (male or female) was interrupting? What about unmarried women that don't have a husband to teach them? Didn't Paul say that "all could learn"? Why would he stop women? The key is 1 Cor 7:1 "Now for t...

@KaeleyT Wow. WOW! You did really well to endure that!! So revealing how he d

@calandgrant @MikeWingerii No, that's not quite what I think is going on here. There appears to be a specific couple in the Ephesian church where the woman is deceived and teaching false doctrine and the husband who knows better (possibly he's even ...

@BarakWatson @justasbefuddled @MikeWingerii Thanks for the reply. Ephesians 5:21 says that we are to subject ourselves to one another; verse 22 doesn't contain the verb (it is implied). Therefore, what it cannot mean is that wives are hierarchicall...

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii Mike: "This is huge...this is 99% of the debate right

@MikeWingerii As an egalitarian, I agree with points #1-4. I take issue with #5 because it says there is an inherent hierarchy and authority structure between the husband and wife and between males and females in the church. That said, if you do a ...

@LauraRicha42528 @_nomadic_soul @LifeWithoutLack @DrFrankTurek Verse 22 doesn’t have the verb submit in it. Check it out. So if verse 21 is true then verse 22 CANNOT mean that wives are like the slaves of their husbands. That’s actually how the cu...

@ianfranklin @ANTHOWEEZY @MikeWingerii Sometimes the culture can get some things

@ianfranklin @MikeWingerii The only scripture related to authority over either husband and wife is the following: “The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over h...

@jenniferfox88 @William_E_Wolfe Yes, everyone says this is clear, but no one seems to be able to explain all the details of this passage. - Why is Paul using singular instead of plural if his instruction applies to all women? Or is it only a married...

@SBC_JumpingWorm @PastorSJCamp @Ken_FiveSolas @alexojeda78 @JustinPetersMin V12 also says deacons must be “one wife husband” so why do you think women can be deacons but not elders? My reading is the requirements for deacons and elders is the same e...

@akorb034 @DeanWar72224151 @scottspeig @TomBuck Actually, the verse says "one wife (genitive) husband (accusative)"⎯it is using the default male description, but no male pronouns are used. v1 says "if anyone" (gr. τις). It doesn't say "an elder must...

@Thygar @AngelaGraceLOU @L_T_Pearson @JustinPetersMin It’s in that order in the Greek in 5 out of 6 instances. The one where it isn’t is a Greeting in 1 Cor 16:19. It just seems odd to list the wife before the husband. Since the hypothesis is that...

@BibleBashed @Kohotek71 It’s a sin to work outside the home? You shouldn’t make up what is sin and what isn’t! Things are hard enough. What if there is sufficient support to manage things at home and work? For example, grand parents are around or...

@L_T_Pearson @Thygar @AngelaGraceLOU @JustinPetersMin Prisca’s name was listed f

@scottspeig @rsbarrington @TomBuck 1. “Women likewise…” or in the same way (1Tim3:11) 2. 1Cor14:34-35 is Paul quoting from the Corinthians letter are refuting it (v36), see 1Cor7:1. 3. In 1Tim2:11-15, Paul refers to an ignorant woman teaching false d...

@L_T_Pearson @RupertP46422908 @JustinPetersMin I know that gyne can mean woman o

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer 1/ Let me get this straight. This passage clearly says “husband of one wife” but you say and elder doesn’t have to be married. It says clearly “one who manages his house” and “keeps his children under cont...

@PaineInTheNeck @foxes_on_fire @AmReformer I am not denying Paul uses the words “husband” and “wife” yet you seem to understand that it doesn’t require marriage. You probably also agree that an elder doesn’t have to have children even though that is...

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen So only husbands can teach? You know you are sawing off the branch you are standing on…Paul wasn’t married. In 1 Cor 7:1 Paul indicates he is responding to things they wrote him. 1 Cor 14:34-35 are a quo...

@ball_dummy @zechariah1680 @thebereanmillen What explicit instruction says "An elder must not be a woman"? In 1 Tim 3 you have "one wife husband" but this is simply monogamous. Paul wasn't married and surely he met his own requirements. Then later...

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