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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-10

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement as for elders. But Mike thinks its only the male d...

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-10

@Dan_NY_Giants @MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii Right, Mike's view is that women are

@Dan_NY_Giants @MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii Right, Mike's view is that women are limited to not being elders nor acting like elders (which he says means speaking authoritatively or speaking in a struct

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-04

@carol66944 Right, the problem isn’t with the women in general. Are you suggesti

@carol66944 Right, the problem isn’t with the women in general. Are you suggesting that if there is in fact a false teacher in Ephesus that Paul hadn’t dealt with that this means Paul or Timothy hasti

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-04-02

@JohnsdeSBaptist @Just_A_Man67 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii What most think is c

@JohnsdeSBaptist @Just_A_Man67 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii What most think is clear scripture on forbidding women is just your reading your tradition into the text. Scratch an inch below the surface

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-31

@Trentofthenorth @Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 On what basis do you make such a

@Trentofthenorth @Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 On what basis do you make such a claim? Male authority over women is an idea imported into the text by men.

@th3muse I wouldn't go as far as suggesting that he is creating his own religion. I was surprised how he agreed women could be deacons given that 1Ti 3:12 has the same "one wife husband" requirement as for elders. But Mike thinks its only the male d...

@Dan_NY_Giants @MikeJGreiner @MikeWingerii Right, Mike's view is that women are

@carol66944 Right, the problem isn’t with the women in general. Are you suggesti

@JohnsdeSBaptist @Just_A_Man67 @Crystalisives @MikeWingerii What most think is c

@Trentofthenorth @Unashamed_Chuck @JamesDitto12 On what basis do you make such a

@scottspeig If it was just a salvific issue then Greeks, slaves and women (v28)

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii Why ar

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That has to do with false teaching. My point was that you are stopping women from teaching true doctrine. Then you said some men have to be silenced too. Then I sh...

@stablecross @MikeWingerii What do you mean it’s both/and? How can you have male primacy or priority and say that women are equally valued? Egalitarians still believe that there are differences between men and women, both physically and in the way e...

@FreeAme19691836 @subq @MikeWingerii Sounds good, Russell. The great commission is to make disciples and teach them to obey everything Jesus commanded his disciples. That doesn’t preclude dealing with divisive issues and helping people to know what s...

The following video is a very informative yet laid back conversational response

🧵This thread captures the Egalitarian responses to @MikeWingerii’s Women in Mini

@ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, that’s not the option the text gives for the married women (given your view that these are the words of Paul). Why can the single women ask the elders but the married ones have to go home and ask their husbands? ...

@EH_Esq @JayMallow3 Yes he did. This particular complementarian doesn’t believe

@ronhenzel @ymmotrojam @pastherandie @kriesese @smashbaals Paul is quoting a full quote from the Corinthians as he told the Corinthians that God is not a God of confusion. Then he shows the confusion. And then he rebukes the two verses and the pridef...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Reading gender roles into this text illegitimately forces your complementarian bias onto Paul's intent and misses how it completely contradicts everything Paul has been saying in chapter 14 l...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals How is Paul speaking to the women when he addresses them in the third person plural in vs34-35 and the "you" in vs36 is second person plural? Where were women ever stated as saying that they...

@JayMallow3 @JollyStine The idea that Paul limits prophecy from women in the con

@deadtosin610 You just need to assert your motherly authority. "Therefore, I wa

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @kriesese @smashbaals Ron, how are single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands and women with husbands that know less than them to learn? All women are not allowed to ask questions. Therefore, all the ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@foererikgraater @kriesese @smashbaals Nice try. A monogamous marriage consisting of one man and one woman is what Paul is referring to, and that explicitly excludes same sex marriage. But it doesn't exclude the unmarried or the single...or women. P...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So⎯again, you said "all" can learn includes women, right? But then v35 says, "if [the women] desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home." Which is it, Tom? Can all le...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals But you have to use the language of v35, and that says "if they (the women) desire to learn ANYTHING, let them ask their husbands at home" That is, in your view... ❌Paul doesn't tell them to...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So the whole congregation includes the women, right? How is it that he talks about them TO them? He tells the women to silence the women? If that's the case and he includes the women in v36...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom...you are already in trouble...because you admitted it's ok for women to ask questions in small groups. The text says explicitly: "If they [women] desire to learn anything, let them ask ...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, Paul said in v3

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Also, you said that women could ask questions in small groups when the whole church is not gathered... but v35 says "if they want to learn" they are supposed to ask their husbands at home, no...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Tom ⎯ who in your view is Paul supposedly talking to in v34-35 and who is being spoken to in v36? In v34-35, it is speaking of the women in 3rd person plural, but the "you" in v36 is 2nd pers...

@smashbaals I don’t reject Paul and believe that women are not forbidden from se

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals That translation misses the force of Paul’s words… "What? came the word of God out from you [men]? or came it unto you [men] only?" (1Co 14:36, KJV). The fact is that the word came out from...

@kriesese @pastherandie @ronhenzel @smashbaals Paul’s use of that idiom does not mean a married man…else Paul (and Timothy) would be excluded. By the same reasoning, neither is this excluding women. Paul did not say “must not be a woman,” but is sayi...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Hey, all the best with whatever restrictions you place on the women in your church. At my church, we don’t want to suppress the holy spirit’s work. We even open up the mic, show a slide outlining...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Right because women are nev

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals All this means is that: - church is not setup for questions, so no one is asking them, or - women in your church have resigned themselves to never speaking in church and they either know how to suppress th...

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals So girls (not yet women), boys and

@ymmotrojam @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals Ron says that they could ask the elders—then why is that not what Paul says? Why are only the women guided to ask the elders and not everyone? Tom, you say that Paul just wants to say that the questions s...

@kriesese @smashbaals The women are to keep silent? What about the single ones and the widows who don’t have husbands? What about those whose husbands are unbelievers? What about those whose husbands know less than them? “For you can all prophesy on...

@ymmotrojam @914Ann Appreciate your tone, Tom. You are always gracious and are an example. The passage says that women need to be silent and ask their husbands at home. What about single women, widows, women with unbelieving husbands or husbands tha...

@freemarketeer1 @DustyMayT @MikeWingerii What is a gross mischaracterization? Women are to be subordinate in the church in that if they feel called to teach (the authoritative scripture) or serve as a pastor, they have to remain subordinate to men (i...

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Where are women forbidden from Se

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @ryancduff @GinaACleveland My church is following

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland Are women supposed to submit to n

@TheMuppetPastor @ScottCross_8 @GinaACleveland The complementarian argument is t

@KJesusChristian You are 100% right. We are not to dominate one another but to s

@ymmotrojam Where is there a general principle in the law that women must submit

@SupermomShayla Hm. But there is not a precisely equal proportion of women and men, and there are some who prefer to remain single. I don't think that having more than one wife is taking the wife of another man. That almost sounds like adultery, but ...

@SupermomShayla My initial reaction to what you said was because the women are not intimate with each other. However, it does seem that each wife is one flesh with the husband. "Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one bo...

@ronhenzel @pastherandie @ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @JollyStine @peace_got @MikeWingerii That's correct, both women and men are very convinced that only men can lead in church⎯for sure for the 2 hours church is on. Then I find the same women out corre...

@RyanMessano Huh? Lukewarm? Because I disagree with you on the basis of scripture itself? A godly women who speaks true doctrine, teaches it or pastors is not in rebellion to God. You cannot make up prohibitions. Prohibiting things that God doesn't p...

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